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  • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

    Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

    #MachineSociety

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    #28

    @MikeElgan Funny how OpenAI in this context looks almost profitable yet it's often predicted to go down first

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    • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

      Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

      #MachineSociety

      happyborg@fosstodon.orgH This user is from outside of this forum
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      #29

      @MikeElgan that's a great visualisation. So #Nvidia is the only company shown that is profiting. I wonder which other sectors or companies are raking it in. I was thinking cloud, but look at Amazon. Surely some are profiting? And 👍 to see where the funding is coming from.

      Also, I hope he'll add a time based graph so we can watch the trend, but this is awesome.

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      • assimilateborg@kind.socialA assimilateborg@kind.social

        @MikeElgan I first thought: bizarre, 1400 spent and 600 revenue, but the graphs say it's way less than half. Then I saw the winer at the bottom: NVIDIA. They have all the revenue.

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        #30

        @assimilateborg @MikeElgan Well... maybe. NVIDIA seems to be lending money to the frontier corporations in order to buy its own hardware, creating circular spending that inflates its stock price.

        https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2026-ai-circular-deals/

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        • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

          Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

          #MachineSociety

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          #31

          @MikeElgan Can we get NVidia and Micron in there for a bit of balance please ?

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          • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

            Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

            #MachineSociety

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            #32

            @MikeElgan

            Imagine all that money being spent on healthcare, education, housing, infrastructure, sustainable energy and poverty?

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            • dancingtreefrog@mastodon.socialD dancingtreefrog@mastodon.social

              @MikeElgan So Nvidia's making a killing...?!

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              #33

              @dancingtreefrog @MikeElgan
              Nvidia is selling the rest of the companies graphics cards to do AI

              its making a killing off people wasting money

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              • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                #MachineSociety

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                #34

                @MikeElgan I was wondering how on earth they got to >600B revenue in total until I scrolled down far enough to see NVIDIA 🤪

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                • hatter@metasocial.comH hatter@metasocial.com

                  @MikeElgan Can we get NVidia and Micron in there for a bit of balance please ?

                  wortex17@mastodon.gamedev.placeW This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #35

                  @hatter @MikeElgan nvidia is there on the page, just not on the screenshot

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                  • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                    Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                    #MachineSociety

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                    #36
                    @MikeElgan it's so funny how the one company making money is the one selling shovels
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                    • sebastian@norrebro.spaceS sebastian@norrebro.space

                      @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan

                      That's one aspect - #AI as a fossil fuel support industry.
                      Secondly, killing off the free information web, journalism, art, creativity for good - that's worth the initial losses.

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                      #37

                      @sebastian @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
                      The funny thing is that they utterly depend on those industries for content to train their lying machines, so its a bit hard to see a future for those machines

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                      • wortex17@mastodon.gamedev.placeW wortex17@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @hatter @MikeElgan nvidia is there on the page, just not on the screenshot

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                        #38

                        @Wortex17 Ah so it is - nice contrast.

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                        • julesbl@mastodon.me.ukJ julesbl@mastodon.me.uk

                          @sebastian @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
                          The funny thing is that they utterly depend on those industries for content to train their lying machines, so its a bit hard to see a future for those machines

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                          #39

                          @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
                          Yes, that might become interesting ... Snake choking on its own tail ... Or rather its own excrements.
                          Perhaps new models of monetization? Content sweatshops (well, we kinda have those already)?
                          The degradation already shows ... The web drowning in its own slop.

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                          • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                            Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                            #MachineSociety

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                            #40

                            @MikeElgan

                            Omg bookmarked immediately.

                            I'm under the impression that Midjourney is profitable? (at least for now, lawsuits pending)

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                            • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                              Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                              #MachineSociety

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                              #41

                              @MikeElgan pure insanity

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                              • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                                Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                                #MachineSociety

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                                #42

                                @mpjgregoire @ChrisMayLA6 @peterbrown

                                The link has a nice near real-time graph of the spending.
                                Only Nvidia has made any money.
                                Oracle hasn't lost anywhere near enough to suit me yet.


                                @MikeElgan

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                                • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                                  Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                                  #MachineSociety

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                                  #43

                                  now you can keep track of how many billions in tax payers’ money big statistics are planning to get bailed out

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                                  • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                                    Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                                    #MachineSociety

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                                    #44

                                    @MikeElgan
                                    "We'll make it up in volume!"
                                    @jwz

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                                    • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                                      Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                                      #MachineSociety

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                                      #45

                                      @MikeElgan

                                      seeing amazon at the very top is both surprising and funny considering they don't even have a public ai product that i know of

                                      I guess the companies losing the most are the ones actually building the datacenters, with the expectation that eventually usage will be so high that openai/anthropic/whoever will eventually be able to pay them back in rent?

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                                      • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                                        Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                                        #MachineSociety

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                                        #46

                                        @MikeElgan It would be interesting to see IBM, SAP and Salesforce also in this dashboard.

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                                        • sebastian@norrebro.spaceS sebastian@norrebro.space

                                          @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
                                          Yes, that might become interesting ... Snake choking on its own tail ... Or rather its own excrements.
                                          Perhaps new models of monetization? Content sweatshops (well, we kinda have those already)?
                                          The degradation already shows ... The web drowning in its own slop.

                                          kennedyrichard@fosstodon.orgK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #47

                                          @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan Can't personal websites help with that?

                                          Genuinely asking, not trying to be a smartass. I know the outlook isn't good, just thought that people should do their part individually as well.

                                          I know creating and maintaining content isn't easy, nor cheap. But perhaps what the internet lacks is more people making simpler websites with real content. An interconnected yet decentralized/independent web of real content, like we had in the past.

                                          kennedyrichard@fosstodon.orgK cohentheblue@ohai.socialC derderwish@social.chaotikum.orgD 3 Replies Last reply
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