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  • derderwish@social.chaotikum.orgD derderwish@social.chaotikum.org

    @KennedyRichard @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
    One problem with that idea is that the crawler from the LLMs are enormously crappy designed and will lead to noticeable traffic.

    https://mastodon.social/@jwz/116608267656820166

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    #86

    @derderwish @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan But I'm not presenting the need to create and publish content as a solution. I'm presenting it as a necessary measure to ensure content exists if we ever find a solution. If we stop creating content, there will be no content when or if the actual problem ever go away.

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    • derderwish@social.chaotikum.orgD derderwish@social.chaotikum.org

      @KennedyRichard @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
      One problem with that idea is that the crawler from the LLMs are enormously crappy designed and will lead to noticeable traffic.

      https://mastodon.social/@jwz/116608267656820166

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      #87

      @derderwish @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan I mean, there has to be some way to deal with those attacks, right? First of all, small creators aren't targeted by that, right? Also, I thought dealing with that was the job of the hosting providers, is it not?

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      • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

        Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

        #MachineSociety

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        #88

        @MikeElgan This is needed

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        • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

          Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

          #MachineSociety

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          #89

          @MikeElgan everyone is broke except nvidia apparently

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          • derderwish@social.chaotikum.orgD derderwish@social.chaotikum.org

            @KennedyRichard @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan
            One problem with that idea is that the crawler from the LLMs are enormously crappy designed and will lead to noticeable traffic.

            https://mastodon.social/@jwz/116608267656820166

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            #90

            @derderwish @sebastian @julesbl @PaulaToThePeople @MikeElgan Also, these businesses providing AI are finally having to justify their non-profitability and AI is finally starting to get expensive. I can't see how these attacks can keep going in a sustainable way, right? Who will cover those costs, with which money? It seems to me AI already started the process of getting to the tail end of the Gartner Hype Cycle chart. And it can't get there fast enough.

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            • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

              Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

              #MachineSociety

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              #91

              @MikeElgan now do how many jobs they're generating

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              • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                #MachineSociety

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                #92

                @MikeElgan
                The kicker will be when enough business’s and government are hooked on the AI kool-aid, the prices will go up even higher than the energy bills we already have to pay to keep the dystopia running.

                Estamos bien jodidos, seems apposite.

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                • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                  Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                  #MachineSociety

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                  #93

                  @MikeElgan

                  Money being what it is - an illusion controlled by the banks -

                  It is used to buy power over the quality of life of a certain group.

                  it does not matter how much 'money' ai is wasting: it is merely buying that inescapable power over other humans.

                  Power to starve, kill, maim, rape, enslave.

                  Slavers will pay ANY price to have that power.

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                  • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                    Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                    #MachineSociety

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                    #94

                    @MikeElgan Amazon lost the money that I (probably) won't be able to collect in my entire life within seconds. Good.

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                    • nick_appleyard@mastodonapp.ukN nick_appleyard@mastodonapp.uk

                      @MikeElgan
                      No, surely that can’t be right. Because the #SpaceX S-1 filing says the market for xAI applications is $22700 billion. And that’s gospel!

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                      #95

                      @nick_appleyard @MikeElgan I love how their “Enterprise Applications” are going to capture roughly 400% of the total worldwide IT spend. Can we please make fraud illegal again?

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                      • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                        Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                        #MachineSociety

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                        #96

                        @MikeElgan "Losing", or just moving around?

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                        • only_ohm@mas.toO only_ohm@mas.to

                          @MikeElgan And yet there's no sign of the shareholders suing the directors for failing in their fiduciary duties, which I presume means the shareholders are bent as nine bob notes too.

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                          #97

                          @only_ohm @MikeElgan big tech does not operate like a real business ruled by P&L, but more like an ancient prince who funds an alchemist and a theatre troupe out of the money his underlings extract (smaller VC tech operates like P.T. Barnum if his hicks were very rich men in California) https://www.bookandsword.com/resources/the-political-economy-of-american-tech-companies-since-2008/

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                          • dckim@mastodon.socialD dckim@mastodon.social

                            @MikeElgan I don't think that those companies would spend so much money, with such little short term return if it did not make sense to do it.

                            What do you think will be the longer term return? Is this a combined competitive loss? Are they each compelled to do this? It seems like a lot but, are any of these companies going broke on this?

                            What is the end-game here?

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                            #98

                            @dckim @MikeElgan Look up what MSB and CDO's are and then what happened in 2007. People and companies make financial decisions and not all of them will be good. Only time will tell whether AI was a good investment or not.

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                            • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                              Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                              #MachineSociety

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                              #99

                              @MikeElgan And exactly how many trillion valuation did they add to the their Big Tech sugar daddies?

                              Let's be honest, last time I checked that was some time ago, alone the difference in MSFT valuation between "growth" and "mature" company P/E was over 2 trillion USD.

                              That makes the burnt capex look like good PR costs, wouldn't you agree?

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                              • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                                Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                                #MachineSociety

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                                #100

                                @MikeElgan so in short - everyone loses but nvidia?

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                                • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                                  Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                                  #MachineSociety

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                                  #101

                                  @MikeElgan

                                  Reminder: It's an arms race.
                                  You wouldn't expect any visible, immediate profit from an arms race through purchasing bombs and tanks either. Or would you?

                                  It's an arms race to control media and the digital infrastructure and by this political power, unrestricted by any rules.

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                                  • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                                    Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                                    #MachineSociety

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                                    #102

                                    @MikeElgan
                                    Ce qui étonne, c'est l'insignifiance, à la limite de l'invisibilité, du poids financier de Mistral AI, la "licorne française". Pourtant LeChat marche bien, mais pour ce que je l'utilise ...

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                                    • grootinside@troet.cafeG grootinside@troet.cafe

                                      @MikeElgan

                                      Reminder: It's an arms race.
                                      You wouldn't expect any visible, immediate profit from an arms race through purchasing bombs and tanks either. Or would you?

                                      It's an arms race to control media and the digital infrastructure and by this political power, unrestricted by any rules.

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                                      #103

                                      @grootinside @MikeElgan exactely, and an arms race beteeen countries, so expect lobyying disinformation, and public pleas for government hand outs, tax breaks, budget deficits, and environmental exemptions.

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                                      • vampgun@mastodon.socialV vampgun@mastodon.social

                                        @MikeElgan everyone is broke except nvidia apparently

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                                        #104

                                        @vampgun @MikeElgan It’s not just Nvidia — it’s nearly the entire semiconductor market. Just look at how much more you have to pay now compared to six months ago for RAM, storage, or CPUs. There’s already a massive shortage of resources. Samsung employees even receive bonuses of up to €300,000 when the company hits certain profit targets.

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                                        • mikeelgan@mastodon.socialM mikeelgan@mastodon.social

                                          Now you can keep track of how many billions the AI companies are losing on AI. (Red is spending, green is revenue.) https://isaiprofitable.com/

                                          #MachineSociety

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                                          #105

                                          @MikeElgan I chuckled when I saw who was the only one making profit on it.

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