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  3. If you're on mastodon.social, you might want to move your account to a different server:

If you're on mastodon.social, you might want to move your account to a different server:

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  • jbond@mastodon.socialJ jbond@mastodon.social

    @FediTips If you're going to move, do it early. It's easy to move but you can't move the posts you've already made. So you lose your history.

    Feature request. Migrate your history when moving servers.

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    #30

    @jbond

    As long as you don't delete the old account, the old posts don't disappear. They stay on the old server and redirect people to your new account if people click on the author's name.

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    • tempusfelix@wehavecookies.socialT tempusfelix@wehavecookies.social

      @FediTips possibly because it’s the one you get offered when you download the mastodon app and the more it spreads, the more users we may have who just want the easy entry path (I firmly believe FB only took off when it came pre installed on mobile phones so the cost of entry was tiny). If we can lower the barriers or persuade them to not make it default then that would be ace.

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      #31

      @tempusfelix

      That's definitely the reason, but there's a really easy solution: they could suggest a different server instead of the largest one.

      There are lots of reliable servers that have good track records going back years, they could have a pool of them and regularly rotate which one is suggested to new people.

      This is what they used to do ages ago before there was an official app, they would regularly close mastodon.social and tell people to sign up on a specific other server.

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      • d@goeppingen.socialD d@goeppingen.social

        @FediTips the problem with the fediverse is its fragmentation.
        There should be a registry where all instances automatically register on setup, which checks in regular intervals if the instances still exist.
        This is not rocket science.
        Private, non-federating instances could opt out on installation and later as well.

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        #32

        @d

        There are sites which list vast numbers of Fediverse instances, but they're not good for new people because there's no indication about an instance's reliability or safety.

        Human-curated lists that have specific requirements for reliability and moderation tend to be more useful for new people, I think?

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        • gbargoud@masto.nycG gbargoud@masto.nyc

          @NorthantsGreens @FediTips

          Would it make sense for the party to run their own server which only has official accounts?

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          @gbargoud @FediTips

          Yes you are right, but we have asked numerous times when they will get on the #Fediverse and they did mention that they did a test server internally, but gave a vague response of "we decided not to take things further" which is basically saying we won't get enough engagement. Or they say "they have a small team" but then contradict themselves by joining bluesky.

          Even when one applies for a job or offers to help volenterally, they will still ignore or find a reason not to.

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          • luca@sironi.tkL luca@sironi.tk

            @FediTips

            I think I changed my position in time.
            If you are already on mastodon.social and you are a regular fediverse user , it's probably a good idea to move to another instance.

            But this is for people that happen to know already the advantages of a decentralized network.
            Reality is that most people not in #fediverse, don't care still, they don't get the point.
            They'll understand it later on.

            I think new users, in the account creation process, should land to mastodon.social or anyway a predefined default server/group of servers.

            They will have the freedom to move later on, if they remain active users, if they care.
            The exit door is something they don't have elsewhere.

            This could be represented graphically leaving a default that's so natural to accept if you are in a hurry, like everyone trying a new thing is.
            See how graphically is represented the onboarding procedure on BS.

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            #34

            @luca

            I totally understand, and it's fine to direct new people to a "default" server so they don't get overwhelmed with choice.

            The problem is if that default is the largest server, because it centralises the network and puts it in danger.

            If JoinMastodon and the official apps could direct new people to another reliable server (and then rotate this default regularly) this would solve most of the problems.

            That kind of default rotation is how Nextcloud's onboarding works, for example.

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            • northantsgreens@mstdn.socialN northantsgreens@mstdn.social

              @gbargoud @FediTips

              Yes you are right, but we have asked numerous times when they will get on the #Fediverse and they did mention that they did a test server internally, but gave a vague response of "we decided not to take things further" which is basically saying we won't get enough engagement. Or they say "they have a small team" but then contradict themselves by joining bluesky.

              Even when one applies for a job or offers to help volenterally, they will still ignore or find a reason not to.

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              @NorthantsGreens @gbargoud

              It's really easy to run your own server if you use a managed hosting service such as @mastohost or @Cloud68 or @fedihost or many others. They do all the techy stuff, you just pay a small monthly fee that includes everything.

              If they don't want their own server and don't have time for more platforms, there are social media services which let organisations post to many platforms at once including Mastodon:

              https://buffer.com/mastodon
              https://publer.com

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              • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                p.s. The guide linked in the original post answers lots of questions about this topic and gives advice on where to move, how to move etc.

                Don't just join a random server though, try to choose one from a curated list of reliable servers such as https://joinmastodon.org/servers or https://fedi.garden

                There are lots of reliable servers on here that have been running for years, for example you can see some good servers listed by founding date at https://fedi.garden/servers-sorted-by-founding-year

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                #36

                @FediTips finally followed your advice and moved to https://franken.social/ . Thanks for making me move my lazy ... 😅

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                • frankie_flowers@franken.socialF frankie_flowers@franken.social

                  @FediTips finally followed your advice and moved to https://franken.social/ . Thanks for making me move my lazy ... 😅

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                  #37

                  @frankie_flowers

                  Congrats 🥳

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                  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                    If you're on mastodon.social, you might want to move your account to a different server:

                    ➡️ https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                    The Fediverse is protected from takeover as long as we are spread out on many servers. If one server dominates, takeovers become easier.

                    Mastodon.social is currently 25.5% of the active Fediverse. This proportion is way too large and seems to be increasing.

                    Larger servers also tend to have worse moderation and are harder to defederate, threatening safety.

                    #FediTips #Fediverse

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                    #38

                    @FediTips I joined social, because the instance I was on initially was shut down with a week's notice. I was thinking of joining more of an art instance, but had no time to research which ones are big enough/have big enough staff that it won't happen again 😕

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                    • p_the_wanderer@mastodon.socialP p_the_wanderer@mastodon.social

                      @FediTips I joined social, because the instance I was on initially was shut down with a week's notice. I was thinking of joining more of an art instance, but had no time to research which ones are big enough/have big enough staff that it won't happen again 😕

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                      @p_the_wanderer

                      The instances listed on https://joinmastodon.org/servers and https://fedi.garden have promised to give three months notice if they ever decide to shut down (plus also daily backups, at least two admins and responsible moderation).

                      I've also got a list of good instances by year of foundation at https://fedi.garden/servers-sorted-by-founding-year

                      Nothing's ever guaranteed, but these are perhaps good starting points?

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