Alright now that I shared my awesome new job, I can finally share with you how moving abroad is going.

[gina@fosstodon.org]

You know what else doesn't help? Italy being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲

On the other hand, Spain is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@_elena @marcel maybe this IS the answer 🥳

[jackeric@beige.party]

@Gina Scotland's nice and, the way things are trending, likely to get nicer

[albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz]

@Gina

If concerned about temperatures, consider Camprodon (Girona) and nearby.

[giantspacesquid@fosstodon.org]

@yngmar @Gina and that’s why it’s probably best to live on a sailboat

[spiezmaestro@social.spiezmaestro.ch]

@Gina Bern and <500K would have been a challenge.

[daleninar@mastodon.sdf.org]

@Gina The area of "Campo de Turia" is nice, and near Valencia in Spain. Small towns but around 25km from the city and close to the airport

[elricofmelnibone@mastodon.social]

@Gina If a lot of us pool our resources, maybe we can start a new tech community somewhere nice

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@elricofmelnibone ooh lets go to one of the abandoned villages in Italy!

[ryzokuken@mastodon.social]

@Gina the north of Spain is awesome and feels like the perfect balance in terms of weather and nature

[ryzokuken@mastodon.social]

@Gina Galicia or Basque Country should fit that description for the most part. I'm totally biased but check out A Coruña

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@ryzokuken I'm considering visiting Bilbao and San Sebastian in september. Does it really rain all the time there? 🥲

[neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk]

@Gina

Milton Keynes looking ever more attractive, I imagine.

[renatoram@fosstodon.org]

@Gina Italy has been experiencing levels of emigration similar to the late 1800s and early 1900s waves (I am also an Italian emigrant), for at least a decade.

The press and politics seem to refuse to mention it, but... the Italians that can, go away (not all, but... many).

(my info/numbers might be old/wrong, willing to hear otherwise by anyone that is better informed. Anecdotally, I know serveral that moved abroad just in my circle of friends, unrelated to my job)

[ryzokuken@mastodon.social]

@Gina it rains quite a bit relatively but the cities are designed very well to avoid any serious issues and usually its a bit of a drizzle anyway.

Think more of constant grey humid drizzle than actual raindrops...

[yngmar@social.tchncs.de]

@Gina Italy is wonderful except for the bureaucracy, which is inefficient and random.

Also some people have a strange hobby called "denunciare"

Wouldn't disregard it though.

Spain has virtually free housing in remote areas of Galicia, which is quite a nice area. Of course that's because the towns are being abandoned.

[castrillo@mastodon.online]

@Gina @_elena @marcel interesting I will share you a point from my exp. If you like good quality ( general speaking ) and easy to find: go to Italy - if you like more tech community go to Barcelona. From my point Girona is to small at all aspects. ( I live in BCN since 2016 ) my family is half Italian. Other good point is if you need move forward your business by using good places, community, networking, etc I think Spain wins here.

[travisfw@fosstodon.org]

@albertcardona @Gina got hackers?

[vickyjo@mastodon.social]

@Gina Aside from the house prices, Switzerland (I was in Lausanne) ticks those boxes.
Across the lake is still lovely (Evian), but you mentioned France was out.

[Gæst]

@Gina not sure that emigrants are the best people to ask...

I left Germany in 1998, I would never go back for a variety of reasons, but I would also say: I have reasons, but they may not apply to you, so better not ask me.