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[tiezep@mastodon.social]

@benroyce relevant meme

Doesn't matter if your candidate is not perfect, show up and vote, don't let the doomerism win

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@axolotl

"im just expressing my ideas. But you're obviously not ready to have a good faith discussion"

yes, yes

we are all familiar with the "just asking questions" troll approach

try harder troll

we need to fucking vote. anyone who doesn't say that is an airhead loser or working for MAGA to suppress the left vote

[axolotl@kolektiva.social]

@benroyce and yet i didnt ask a single question...
I honestly hope that people with your best intrests get into office and do the most harm reduction they can.
I just choose to focus on things i find way more empowering than voting and i dont think you should feel threatend by it.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@axolotl

"and yet i didnt ask a single question"

that's correct. the "just asking questions" troll approach is about changing the topic to MAGA/ geopolitical psyop talking points, which is what you do, then feigning innocence when called out on your obvious bullshit

we vote

we get change

end of story

continue your handwaving to suppress the left vote my trollish friend. show the world what you really are

[axolotl@kolektiva.social]

@benroyce wow. You just really want to fight. I hope you maintain that energy after election season ️‍

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@axolotl

no, troll, the energy is *for* the election

your energy is suppress the vote to help fascism win

[axolotl@kolektiva.social]

@benroyce yeah, just back business as usuall if it's your party doing the bombing and deporting...

[renardboy@mastodon.social]

@Tiezep @benroyce brother I would like a poster of this meme

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@axolotl

right, that's the two points in the original comment of mine you replied to:

cynicism

perfectionism

used by MAGA and geopolitical troll farm to suppress the left vote and help fascism win

so you help fascism because you're a fascist? or just too stupid to realize that's the result of your loser cynicism and perfectionism?

[axolotl@kolektiva.social]

@benroyce i oppose fascism daily. I just dont think voting in this style of democracy is the best way to go about it. That proposal gave the world Hitler, Mussolini and Trump. My proposal got us the 8 hour work day, union protections, civil rights, universal suffrage, etc, etc.
Again, Im not against you or anyone else voting. I do think it can serve as harm reduction. But in the long term, the system is a lost cause and the sooner we start working on alternatives the better.

Btw, I appreciate you not calling me a "TROLL" for the first time in this conversion ️

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@axolotl

we're both in this war against fascism

i say: we do everything you're doing *and* vote

why?

because it's better to have a shit admin than an admin that sends goons to machine gun us while laughing. it's called shaping the battlefield. lucid tactics

but you insist on suppressing the vote

why?

you desire to face goons with machine guns laughing instead of a shitty indifferent admin?

so i conclude:

you're a tactical moron

or you're a fascist cosplaying left. an agent provocateur

[m3t00@catodon.rocks]

@benroyce@mastodon.social
during 2024 run-up I recall accounts claiming to be polling 'analysts'. they had blue team ahead everywhere. afterward they stopped posting. i've always suspected they were part of some scheme. or embarrassed.​​

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@m3t00

put some easy leftist signifiers on an account, jump in with easy lazy cynicism and perfectionism, and serve MAGA/ geopolitical trollfarm's goal of suppressing the left vote

it works because many so-called "leftists" are not leftists at all, but entitled smug fools who value their sense of self-regard over real world consequences

[axolotl@kolektiva.social]

@benroyce again, you keep strawmaning me with this revolutionary violence trope (not to mention all the name-calling), but im talking about forming and participating in assemblies and unions, organizing collectives to cover our basic needs, providing material support for communities building autonomy, visibilizing struggles,

And for the 3rd or 4th time, im not against people voting. So you can stop beating that dead horse.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@axolotl

it's wonderful you're doing all these things. i applaud you

now what you do is you stop lying about the supposed pointlessness of the vote. the vote helps you. at least in the simple tactical way i described above

fall silent on the topic of voting

or ideally, realize that your lazy false words help fascism. and instead insist people vote. because it makes a difference that matters. for your efforts

all of your efforts are for nothing if an antagonistic regime sweeps it away

[axolotl@kolektiva.social]

@benroyce its not a lie. Its my honest analysis of histoy and geo-politics. Maybe im wrong. But its not a lie.
My goal isnt to discourage people from voting, but to encourage participation in alternative organizating and infrastructure that will, hopfully, long outlast both the comming blue wave and the equally inevitable swing back to the right that always comes after.

I will try to take your advice, and focus on promoting alternative action instead of criticizing voting.
And maybe you can take some advice from me, and be a bit more dicerning about who you call fascists and trolls. Just because someone dont share your tactics doesn't mean they are your enemy.

[benroyce@mastodon.social]

@axolotl

"My goal isnt to discourage people from voting"

so don't speak words as if it doesn't matter. obviously voting matters. in the pure tactical way, at the very least, that i explained to you above

the truth is you depend upon people who vote. without them your efforts are outlawed. and people who vote depend upon you. without you we don't get progress

so the way we get effective change is to do *both*

it's not an either/ or

so don't lie and shit on the vote. *you* need the vote

[apostateenglishman@mastodon.world]

@benroyce Especially on Facebook and X. A recent study found 90% of Reform UK-supporting accounts on Facebook are fake. The oligarchs and plutocrats want autocratic governments that'll do their bidding, in their own narrow interests...at the expense of everyone else. This is what happens when we let psychopaths gain too much power and influence.

Corporate social media is an echo chamber for their malign influence campaigns. The fedi isn't much better, but is at least a significant improvement.

[amber@hear-me.social]

@benroyce@mastodon.social
There's a meme for that, Ben;
As it supports what you said.
In your own words as follows;
"It's better to have a shit admin."
"Than an admin that sends", etc.
So please feel free to use meme;
As you spread your message.
As I'm sure this will help you.
To gain support for Democrats.
Which is your goal, so please;
Enjoy it in good health, and;
For clarity & for your benefit;
I did not create this meme;
As I am not at all artistic;
That said, sleep well, and;
Have a great Thursday.
@axolotl

[lukefromdc@kolektiva.social]

@axolotl @benroyce Suppose if an electoral blowout against the GOP is followed by the Speaker refusing to seat Dems in Congress or any similar scenario.

This is considered a high probability scenario, and it MIGHT finally force enough people to get in the streets and duke it out with these bastards to give us a fighting chance.

Before anyone thinks I am talking trash, I received a dangerous injury in that Nov 14 2020 battle in DC against 20K Trumpers/1K Proud Boys/3%ers/Oath Keepers and was back out for more on Dec 12 that year and to help defend Black Lives Matter Plaza on J6 itself.

I have gone up against literal division-size opposition and made it back.