Attention #fediverse / #mastodon
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@benroyce wow. You just really want to fight. I hope you maintain that energy after election season
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no, troll, the energy is *for* the election
your energy is suppress the vote to help fascism win
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no, troll, the energy is *for* the election
your energy is suppress the vote to help fascism win
@benroyce yeah, just back business as usuall if it's your party doing the bombing and deporting...
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@benroyce relevant meme
Doesn't matter if your candidate is not perfect, show up and vote, don't let the doomerism win
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@benroyce yeah, just back business as usuall if it's your party doing the bombing and deporting...
right, that's the two points in the original comment of mine you replied to:
cynicism
perfectionism
used by MAGA and geopolitical troll farm to suppress the left vote and help fascism win
so you help fascism because you're a fascist? or just too stupid to realize that's the result of your loser cynicism and perfectionism?
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right, that's the two points in the original comment of mine you replied to:
cynicism
perfectionism
used by MAGA and geopolitical troll farm to suppress the left vote and help fascism win
so you help fascism because you're a fascist? or just too stupid to realize that's the result of your loser cynicism and perfectionism?
@benroyce i oppose fascism daily. I just dont think voting in this style of democracy is the best way to go about it. That proposal gave the world Hitler, Mussolini and Trump. My proposal got us the 8 hour work day, union protections, civil rights, universal suffrage, etc, etc.
Again, Im not against you or anyone else voting. I do think it can serve as harm reduction. But in the long term, the system is a lost cause and the sooner we start working on alternatives the better.Btw, I appreciate you not calling me a "TROLL" for the first time in this conversion
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@benroyce i oppose fascism daily. I just dont think voting in this style of democracy is the best way to go about it. That proposal gave the world Hitler, Mussolini and Trump. My proposal got us the 8 hour work day, union protections, civil rights, universal suffrage, etc, etc.
Again, Im not against you or anyone else voting. I do think it can serve as harm reduction. But in the long term, the system is a lost cause and the sooner we start working on alternatives the better.Btw, I appreciate you not calling me a "TROLL" for the first time in this conversion
️we're both in this war against fascism
i say: we do everything you're doing *and* vote
why?
because it's better to have a shit admin than an admin that sends goons to machine gun us while laughing. it's called shaping the battlefield. lucid tactics
but you insist on suppressing the vote
why?
you desire to face goons with machine guns laughing instead of a shitty indifferent admin?
so i conclude:
you're a tactical moron
or you're a fascist cosplaying left. an agent provocateur
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Attention #fediverse / #mastodon
We're entering #election season in the #USA. The #midterms
That means something for you:
You will see an increase in #trolls
Messages along the lines of
"Nothing ever changes, both sides the same, waah" #cynicism
And
"The candidate is unideal. Allow me to amplify and manufacture high holy outrage on the point" #perfectionism
All of which is designed to suppress the #left #vote and help #MAGA
You have been warned. Brace yourself
@benroyce@mastodon.social
during 2024 run-up I recall accounts claiming to be polling 'analysts'. they had blue team ahead everywhere. afterward they stopped posting. i've always suspected they were part of some scheme. or embarrassed.
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@benroyce@mastodon.social
during 2024 run-up I recall accounts claiming to be polling 'analysts'. they had blue team ahead everywhere. afterward they stopped posting. i've always suspected they were part of some scheme. or embarrassed.put some easy leftist signifiers on an account, jump in with easy lazy cynicism and perfectionism, and serve MAGA/ geopolitical trollfarm's goal of suppressing the left vote
it works because many so-called "leftists" are not leftists at all, but entitled smug fools who value their sense of self-regard over real world consequences
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we're both in this war against fascism
i say: we do everything you're doing *and* vote
why?
because it's better to have a shit admin than an admin that sends goons to machine gun us while laughing. it's called shaping the battlefield. lucid tactics
but you insist on suppressing the vote
why?
you desire to face goons with machine guns laughing instead of a shitty indifferent admin?
so i conclude:
you're a tactical moron
or you're a fascist cosplaying left. an agent provocateur
@benroyce again, you keep strawmaning me with this revolutionary violence trope (not to mention all the name-calling), but im talking about forming and participating in assemblies and unions, organizing collectives to cover our basic needs, providing material support for communities building autonomy, visibilizing struggles,
And for the 3rd or 4th time, im not against people voting. So you can stop beating that dead horse.
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@benroyce again, you keep strawmaning me with this revolutionary violence trope (not to mention all the name-calling), but im talking about forming and participating in assemblies and unions, organizing collectives to cover our basic needs, providing material support for communities building autonomy, visibilizing struggles,
And for the 3rd or 4th time, im not against people voting. So you can stop beating that dead horse.
it's wonderful you're doing all these things. i applaud you
now what you do is you stop lying about the supposed pointlessness of the vote. the vote helps you. at least in the simple tactical way i described above
fall silent on the topic of voting
or ideally, realize that your lazy false words help fascism. and instead insist people vote. because it makes a difference that matters. for your efforts
all of your efforts are for nothing if an antagonistic regime sweeps it away
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it's wonderful you're doing all these things. i applaud you
now what you do is you stop lying about the supposed pointlessness of the vote. the vote helps you. at least in the simple tactical way i described above
fall silent on the topic of voting
or ideally, realize that your lazy false words help fascism. and instead insist people vote. because it makes a difference that matters. for your efforts
all of your efforts are for nothing if an antagonistic regime sweeps it away
@benroyce its not a lie. Its my honest analysis of histoy and geo-politics. Maybe im wrong. But its not a lie.
My goal isnt to discourage people from voting, but to encourage participation in alternative organizating and infrastructure that will, hopfully, long outlast both the comming blue wave and the equally inevitable swing back to the right that always comes after.I will try to take your advice, and focus on promoting alternative action instead of criticizing voting.
And maybe you can take some advice from me, and be a bit more dicerning about who you call fascists and trolls. Just because someone dont share your tactics doesn't mean they are your enemy. -
@benroyce its not a lie. Its my honest analysis of histoy and geo-politics. Maybe im wrong. But its not a lie.
My goal isnt to discourage people from voting, but to encourage participation in alternative organizating and infrastructure that will, hopfully, long outlast both the comming blue wave and the equally inevitable swing back to the right that always comes after.I will try to take your advice, and focus on promoting alternative action instead of criticizing voting.
And maybe you can take some advice from me, and be a bit more dicerning about who you call fascists and trolls. Just because someone dont share your tactics doesn't mean they are your enemy."My goal isnt to discourage people from voting"
so don't speak words as if it doesn't matter. obviously voting matters. in the pure tactical way, at the very least, that i explained to you above
the truth is you depend upon people who vote. without them your efforts are outlawed. and people who vote depend upon you. without you we don't get progress
so the way we get effective change is to do *both*
it's not an either/ or
so don't lie and shit on the vote. *you* need the vote
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Attention #fediverse / #mastodon
We're entering #election season in the #USA. The #midterms
That means something for you:
You will see an increase in #trolls
Messages along the lines of
"Nothing ever changes, both sides the same, waah" #cynicism
And
"The candidate is unideal. Allow me to amplify and manufacture high holy outrage on the point" #perfectionism
All of which is designed to suppress the #left #vote and help #MAGA
You have been warned. Brace yourself
@benroyce Especially on Facebook and X. A recent study found 90% of Reform UK-supporting accounts on Facebook are fake. The oligarchs and plutocrats want autocratic governments that'll do their bidding, in their own narrow interests...at the expense of everyone else. This is what happens when we let psychopaths gain too much power and influence.
Corporate social media is an echo chamber for their malign influence campaigns. The fedi isn't much better, but is at least a significant improvement.
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@benroyce@mastodon.social
There's a meme for that, Ben;
As it supports what you said.
In your own words as follows;
"It's better to have a shit admin."
"Than an admin that sends", etc.
So please feel free to use meme;
As you spread your message.
As I'm sure this will help you.
To gain support for Democrats.
Which is your goal, so please;
Enjoy it in good health, and;
For clarity & for your benefit;
I did not create this meme;
As I am not at all artistic;
That said, sleep well, and;
Have a great Thursday.
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@benroyce you almost convinced me, then i remembered Obama's deportation and bombing numbers. Community organizing and direct action is the way forward and electoral politics is literally the system that got us where we are today.
Nothing against others voting though. Maybe you will get some harm reduction. Or maybe you'll be complicit in crimes against humanity. Probably a bit of both.
Remember the vast majority of rights and freedoms we have today, worldwide, weren't voted for but fought for.
@axolotl @benroyce Suppose if an electoral blowout against the GOP is followed by the Speaker refusing to seat Dems in Congress or any similar scenario.
This is considered a high probability scenario, and it MIGHT finally force enough people to get in the streets and duke it out with these bastards to give us a fighting chance.
Before anyone thinks I am talking trash, I received a dangerous injury in that Nov 14 2020 battle in DC against 20K Trumpers/1K Proud Boys/3%ers/Oath Keepers and was back out for more on Dec 12 that year and to help defend Black Lives Matter Plaza on J6 itself.
I have gone up against literal division-size opposition and made it back.
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@benroyce Especially on Facebook and X. A recent study found 90% of Reform UK-supporting accounts on Facebook are fake. The oligarchs and plutocrats want autocratic governments that'll do their bidding, in their own narrow interests...at the expense of everyone else. This is what happens when we let psychopaths gain too much power and influence.
Corporate social media is an echo chamber for their malign influence campaigns. The fedi isn't much better, but is at least a significant improvement.
Im going to say that compared to the larger platforms, fedi is a huge improvement. Many admins and teams do their best, at least better than the larger ones.
The pace on the bigger platforms is much more frantic and it just seems so fucking fake..
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Attention #fediverse / #mastodon
We're entering #election season in the #USA. The #midterms
That means something for you:
You will see an increase in #trolls
Messages along the lines of
"Nothing ever changes, both sides the same, waah" #cynicism
And
"The candidate is unideal. Allow me to amplify and manufacture high holy outrage on the point" #perfectionism
All of which is designed to suppress the #left #vote and help #MAGA
You have been warned. Brace yourself
@benroyce I've been noticing an uptick of "So you really think you can vote yourself out of this?" posts on Mastodon. It wasn't from a bot account but the cynicism is really starting to ramp up from the "burn it all to the ground" quarter.
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@benroyce@mastodon.social
There's a meme for that, Ben;
As it supports what you said.
In your own words as follows;
"It's better to have a shit admin."
"Than an admin that sends", etc.
So please feel free to use meme;
As you spread your message.
As I'm sure this will help you.
To gain support for Democrats.
Which is your goal, so please;
Enjoy it in good health, and;
For clarity & for your benefit;
I did not create this meme;
As I am not at all artistic;
That said, sleep well, and;
Have a great Thursday.
@axolotlwell yes
the world is shit
so we sustain and iterate to better. it's slow. that's always been the case
what else is there to do? what standard do you have? perfection?
define for me an alternative approach, and i will change my words
if you cannot, then you need to change your words
until then, you're one of those people who get off on feeling smugly superior but you don't actually care about improving our world. just vibing meaninglessly online. you're not a real leftist
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"My goal isnt to discourage people from voting"
so don't speak words as if it doesn't matter. obviously voting matters. in the pure tactical way, at the very least, that i explained to you above
the truth is you depend upon people who vote. without them your efforts are outlawed. and people who vote depend upon you. without you we don't get progress
so the way we get effective change is to do *both*
it's not an either/ or
so don't lie and shit on the vote. *you* need the vote
@benroyce i agree its not either / or. But as we touched one before, all your energy is for the election, and when the dems win, a its back to business as usual.
But not only will the wars, the support for genocide in Palestine and deportations continue, but the fascists will be back, and worse, over and over again until they finally take power definitively.
Voting can be harm reduction, go for it! But it's a temporary band-aid. And unfortunately, the vast majority of voters think filling a ballot is the end of their responsibility to the world. Personally i think your fiery rhetoric would be put to better use combating that apathy instead of rallying agaisnt those trying to build direct democracy.
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@axolotl @benroyce Suppose if an electoral blowout against the GOP is followed by the Speaker refusing to seat Dems in Congress or any similar scenario.
This is considered a high probability scenario, and it MIGHT finally force enough people to get in the streets and duke it out with these bastards to give us a fighting chance.
Before anyone thinks I am talking trash, I received a dangerous injury in that Nov 14 2020 battle in DC against 20K Trumpers/1K Proud Boys/3%ers/Oath Keepers and was back out for more on Dec 12 that year and to help defend Black Lives Matter Plaza on J6 itself.
I have gone up against literal division-size opposition and made it back.
yes, the clarity principle
if few vote, and fascism wins, and some voices go "let's fight": no one cares
people who don't vote are expressing their apathy. there's no struggle there. it's acceptance
while if they vote, and the vote is ignored, this is a fountain of anger. this is the ignition point of the serious struggle
we have to vote. people who argue against voting or disregard voting are only helping fascism
