I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it
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@eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place can confirm, same as e.g. flathub was getting fucking flooded with slop until they enacted the recent no-slop policy
and did that flood result in anything good? unsurprisingly, no, it didn't, it's all shit, nobody is using those apps and nobody is gonna maintain them once the bubble pops
edit: oh, and I'm only talking about accepted submissions here! even before the policy there was an even biigger flood of slop submissions that got rejected because they couldn't follow the most basic rules (unsurprisingly too) -
RE: https://mastodon.social/@jplebreton/116709297088742776
I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it
@eniko
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@dome @jargoggles @eniko Your problem is that it's "good enough" in your non-programmer eyes. For now.
And then you'll find yourself wondering why it 100%s your GPU in idle.
And then starts the "burning through tokens trying to add more features or fix old stuff that suddenly was overwritten during ai hiccup" dance.
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@dome @jargoggles @eniko Your problem is that it's "good enough" in your non-programmer eyes. For now.
And then you'll find yourself wondering why it 100%s your GPU in idle.
And then starts the "burning through tokens trying to add more features or fix old stuff that suddenly was overwritten during ai hiccup" dance.
@dome @jargoggles @eniko (Non-ethical) problem with vibe code is that while you might find ai useful for _producing_ code, it's not useful for _supporting_ it.
Just like ai "artist" can't fix slop because they have no idea how light works, how clothes works, and fixing ai "art" with ai just makes a new image leaving nothing from the old iteration.
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@dome @jargoggles @eniko (Non-ethical) problem with vibe code is that while you might find ai useful for _producing_ code, it's not useful for _supporting_ it.
Just like ai "artist" can't fix slop because they have no idea how light works, how clothes works, and fixing ai "art" with ai just makes a new image leaving nothing from the old iteration.
@dome @jargoggles @eniko Why do you think code slop is any different from art slop? It's the same LLM technology under all this crap about productivity no one asked for.
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this post has made all the AI users Big Mad
@eniko You're just a left-behind hater.
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@dome "This thing I made with AI that doesn't show up in search results is AMAZING! Trust me bro. I have years of experience in everything related to it, except it."
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@dome "This thing I made with AI that doesn't show up in search results is AMAZING! Trust me bro. I have years of experience in everything related to it, except it."
@dacmot @jargoggles @eniko I just recently started building this fork. Why should it be well known and wide spread? And its open source so just look at the code if you are worried.
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this post has made all the AI users Big Mad
@eniko big AI doesn't want you to know this
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@jplebreton/116709297088742776
I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it
@eniko I'm in the Pokemon romhacking scene and it's surprisingly very mixed on AI, and I personally have to push
There are two important tools that are being/have been developed with significant Claude usage and they're both decent at least (one of which I can no longer live without)
It has a sort of reasonable use case and that is rapid development, because it automates a lot of the boilerplate away; both developers are experienced programmers/computer scientists and I believe they wrote the important logic themselves
However, this development paradigm is definitely the exception and not the norm; most people have no clue what they're doing and have AI write the entire codebase, inevitably leading to logic bugs and unmaintainable messes (though that is par for the course with industrial software development, so not much is new there)Edit: To clarify, I don't use AI (for countless reasons), but through talking with others I realize that there are some (very rare) scenarios where AI isn't completely dogshit
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@jplebreton/116709297088742776
I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it
I can’t imagine anyone successfully using AI to create aps for other ppl.
I can imagine someone creating an ap that does something that they and only they need. @eniko -
@dacmot @jargoggles @eniko I just recently started building this fork. Why should it be well known and wide spread? And its open source so just look at the code if you are worried.
@dome yeah... no. I'm not going to waste my time reading slop.
You can keep digging that hole on the beach you thought was cool. And yeah, it's neat when you're down to your knees. Not so much when you're so deep you can't climb out again. My unsolicited advice to you is: stop.
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@brooke@bikeshed.vibber.net @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place it's also fun when I've been working on a thing for close to 3 years now, and it's relatively close to a release, but also it's now and do i even want to release it at this period of time vs waiting until the literal shitstorm clears up
@alice @brooke @eniko the game I've been working on for five years now will be done in the next 6 months or so. Normally I would have started marketing it by now, but I've been holding off. There's a very good chance I finish it and then just shelve the thing for release at a later time when hopefully the slop storm has subsided somewhat.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@jplebreton/116709297088742776
I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it
@eniko This made me daydream a little bit about Apple banning LLM-generated apps from the App Store
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@alice @brooke @eniko the game I've been working on for five years now will be done in the next 6 months or so. Normally I would have started marketing it by now, but I've been holding off. There's a very good chance I finish it and then just shelve the thing for release at a later time when hopefully the slop storm has subsided somewhat.
@ClutchAbuse@mastodon.gamedev.place @brooke@bikeshed.vibber.net @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place I'm in a bit better position here since at least I'm not relying on my app financially, since I have a job (so far) and this is just a side project - at most it will have donations
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this post has made all the AI users Big Mad
@eniko AI enjoyers always react very emotional to criticism
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@jplebreton/116709297088742776
I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it
@eniko This weekend my old demoscene crew had a meetup at my place. We're from the 80s home computer scene, the greybeards that speak assembler natively and there's not a single algorithm we're not able to implement from scratch.
All of us now use LLM-aids with the experiences that we're much more productive.
(And we're not having them forced upon us, we're choosing to use them and we choose for which projects)
Here are three of my programs that wouldn't have existed without the productivity boost using LLMs have given me:
https://codeberg.org/troed/meshnetmon
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/lightautomation
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/pathinator
... a fourth one is coming up shortly, for Nextcloud. Additionally I've done one feature development and fixed one bug in open source projects.
The truth is that LLMs got good at software development around six months ago. Those who claim differently seem to not be developers ...
the flood of junk apps is so frustrating on both maintainers trying to organize a collection and the people trying to find genuinely useful apps.
