I've been shushing people who say there won't be free #elections in the #USA anymore
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@benroyce @em_and_future_cats When you say "the right" do you mean "the American right" or "the right everywhere except the US"? Because *normal* moderate right are only slightly bigoted. The Democrats are moderate right (which hasn't really changed for their very long history, significantly longer than the party that calls themselves old), the Republicans are literal extremists, though they weren't always.
I agree but absolute ideological position globally has no meaning. The left in Saudi Arabia might be to the right of the right in Denmark but the only metric that matters is the push and pull to either side of the ideological center of a particular country
It does no good to say "the left in the USA is the right somewhere else" because all we care about is making the USA more left. We work with what is and iterate. This perspective is the only effective perspective
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I agree but absolute ideological position globally has no meaning. The left in Saudi Arabia might be to the right of the right in Denmark but the only metric that matters is the push and pull to either side of the ideological center of a particular country
It does no good to say "the left in the USA is the right somewhere else" because all we care about is making the USA more left. We work with what is and iterate. This perspective is the only effective perspective
@benroyce @em_and_future_cats I mostly disagree. By any definition, the Democrats are conservative, they maintain the status quo, only doing the minimum to show that they're better than Republicans, and they *definitely* are, don't get me wrong. Now, it's entirely reasonable to argue that conservative and right-wing don't mean the same thing, but they usually do. The closest the US has to a left wing, the Green party, is a joke, something to make the Democrats' centric stance more reasonable.
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@benroyce @em_and_future_cats I mostly disagree. By any definition, the Democrats are conservative, they maintain the status quo, only doing the minimum to show that they're better than Republicans, and they *definitely* are, don't get me wrong. Now, it's entirely reasonable to argue that conservative and right-wing don't mean the same thing, but they usually do. The closest the US has to a left wing, the Green party, is a joke, something to make the Democrats' centric stance more reasonable.
Again you're absolutely right. I'm just asserting that the functional perspective is more important than the structural perspective. We both want the USA to be more left. I'm concerning myself with how to do that while meanwhile this 10,000 foot view of the status quo you're providing while accurate doesn't provide any analytical value of how to do that.
We start where we are and iterate left. That where we start sucks is true but noting that it sucks doesn't help
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Again you're absolutely right. I'm just asserting that the functional perspective is more important than the structural perspective. We both want the USA to be more left. I'm concerning myself with how to do that while meanwhile this 10,000 foot view of the status quo you're providing while accurate doesn't provide any analytical value of how to do that.
We start where we are and iterate left. That where we start sucks is true but noting that it sucks doesn't help
@benroyce @em_and_future_cats I think I see what you're getting at. I think, though, that letting Democrats be called "left" lets them off the hook to be better. It makes it seem like someone having an opinion between the Democrats and Republicans is a reasonable position when, really, that just makes them a less extreme extremist. Democrats should be seen as the compromise, the centric position (even though they're more like slightly right-wing).
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@benroyce @em_and_future_cats I think I see what you're getting at. I think, though, that letting Democrats be called "left" lets them off the hook to be better. It makes it seem like someone having an opinion between the Democrats and Republicans is a reasonable position when, really, that just makes them a less extreme extremist. Democrats should be seen as the compromise, the centric position (even though they're more like slightly right-wing).
Because of the FPTP voting system 3rd party only divides the left and hands MAGA the win. So we are stuck with the need to take over, gut and cannibalize the democratic party and make it an apparatus of the left. And we can that. The centrists are weak and the anger is strong
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@benroyce
There is no one as tedious and annoying as the "both sides suck" "you're just voting for the lesser of two evils" edgelords -
@benroyce
There is no one as tedious and annoying as the "both sides suck" "you're just voting for the lesser of two evils" edgelords -
Nevermind that a lesser evil is all you will ever get, in any timeline, in any country, in any election
Now and forever
If a literal demigod descended from the heavens with angels singing and ran in an election, typical politics would paint them as evil one way or another in contrived fashion, people would nod along in the usual lazy cynicism, and thus they would just be the lesser evil
Toxic idealists and mindless cynics are fucking stupid losers
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Because if a candidate is not perfect I can't taint my perfect soul. And before I vote I have to feel like my vote is a statement of eternal love. Only then will I vote
Oh if I don't vote I help fascism win?
Well my holy sense of self-regard and my perfectionist ego masturbation is far more important than my entitled lazy inaction resulting in goons murdering people in the streets, don't you know
🤮🤮🤮
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Because if a candidate is not perfect I can't taint my perfect soul. And before I vote I have to feel like my vote is a statement of eternal love. Only then will I vote
Oh if I don't vote I help fascism win?
Well my holy sense of self-regard and my perfectionist ego masturbation is far more important than my entitled lazy inaction resulting in goons murdering people in the streets, don't you know
🤮🤮🤮
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@mastodonmigration @dlundh @Asbestos
I've got 50k such comments under my belt
I've got 200k more to go
Until my anger at nonvoting assholes who helped get us MAGA in power is quenched
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Because of the FPTP voting system 3rd party only divides the left and hands MAGA the win. So we are stuck with the need to take over, gut and cannibalize the democratic party and make it an apparatus of the left. And we can that. The centrists are weak and the anger is strong
@benroyce @em_and_future_cats Oh, absolutely, I'm definitely not suggesting voting for third party candidates, at least not at a federal level. There is *some* benefit, sometimes, to voting for a third party at a state level, and there's usually benefit to third party votes at a county and city level. As long as the system is plurality, Democrats will continue to get my endorsement, but I'll be damned if I let them off the hook for being centrists.
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