Students who don’t use AI are ahead on every measure
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Students who don’t use AI are ahead on every measure
‘equivalent to being around one year of schooling ahead of their peers’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcRY6M5_mvo&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260908-students-who-dont-use-ai-are-ahead-on-every-measure - podcasttime: 4 min 14 sec
https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/09/08/students-who-dont-use-ai-are-ahead-on-every-measure/ - blog post
@davidgerard @zzt first of all i believe it is important to state that the OECD itself recognises that these results can't establish causality. secondly it needs to be said that the headline is not only misleading but rejects truth. see this plot from page 140 of the report. OECD puts it like this
> those who reported using AI to help them learn frequently […] tend to slightly outperform their peers
i believe unreflected criticism it to be dangerous and unhealthy
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Some MIT professor was like "go ahead, use AI, it'll help you learn computer science and this class!" but he described it as building blocks on building blocks. Unfortunately, if you use the Easy Button, you don't learn anything, so by the time the next block came by you were already one block behind knowledge-wise. It felt like the professor was encouraging his students to fail and be left behind, gleefully.
@Muddobbers @davidgerard it is important to put in the work. using AI can help you with that. if you try to use it to not having to put in the work it will fail you as a tool
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@davidgerard @zzt first of all i believe it is important to state that the OECD itself recognises that these results can't establish causality. secondly it needs to be said that the headline is not only misleading but rejects truth. see this plot from page 140 of the report. OECD puts it like this
> those who reported using AI to help them learn frequently […] tend to slightly outperform their peers
i believe unreflected criticism it to be dangerous and unhealthy
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@davidgerard @zzt first of all i believe it is important to state that the OECD itself recognises that these results can't establish causality. secondly it needs to be said that the headline is not only misleading but rejects truth. see this plot from page 140 of the report. OECD puts it like this
> those who reported using AI to help them learn frequently […] tend to slightly outperform their peers
i believe unreflected criticism it to be dangerous and unhealthy
@feliks @davidgerard why didn’t you post the entire paragraph
> How AI use relates to student performance is complex, varying with how students use it and what for. PISA data show that students who use AI for specific schoolwork tasks, such as summarising texts, drafting or conducting research, attain lower scores in science than students who do not use AI. In these scenarios, students who do not use AI outperform those who do, on average, by around 20 points – equivalent to being around one year of schooling ahead of their peers. However, weekly users of AI for general purposes have similar performance outcomes to non-users. Students who regularly use AI for general purposes, and have learning opportunities at school to develop AI literacy skills, tend to have slightly higher scores in science. However, these opportunities are more common among socio-economically advantaged students, risking a growing AI divide.
this says that rich students do better
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@feliks @davidgerard why didn’t you post the entire paragraph
> How AI use relates to student performance is complex, varying with how students use it and what for. PISA data show that students who use AI for specific schoolwork tasks, such as summarising texts, drafting or conducting research, attain lower scores in science than students who do not use AI. In these scenarios, students who do not use AI outperform those who do, on average, by around 20 points – equivalent to being around one year of schooling ahead of their peers. However, weekly users of AI for general purposes have similar performance outcomes to non-users. Students who regularly use AI for general purposes, and have learning opportunities at school to develop AI literacy skills, tend to have slightly higher scores in science. However, these opportunities are more common among socio-economically advantaged students, risking a growing AI divide.
this says that rich students do better
@zzt @davidgerard because my instance is limited to 500 character replies. also i don't see the point in argueing over cherries as i believe causality can't be established. however i second your sentiment and believe it to be a good guide
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@zzt @davidgerard because my instance is limited to 500 character replies. also i don't see the point in argueing over cherries as i believe causality can't be established. however i second your sentiment and believe it to be a good guide
@zzt @davidgerard lol david gerard blocked me for this post. doesn't seem like he is interested in a meaningful discussion but rather prefers to delude himself... how ironic
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@zzt @davidgerard lol david gerard blocked me for this post. doesn't seem like he is interested in a meaningful discussion but rather prefers to delude himself... how ironic
@feliks @davidgerard you seem exhauating
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Students who don’t use AI are ahead on every measure
‘equivalent to being around one year of schooling ahead of their peers’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcRY6M5_mvo&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260908-students-who-dont-use-ai-are-ahead-on-every-measure - podcasttime: 4 min 14 sec
https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/09/08/students-who-dont-use-ai-are-ahead-on-every-measure/ - blog post
i had several "correlation is not causation" wankers on the youtube and mf did i fucking say it was
also, rich students tend to do better than poor ones, amazing
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i had several "correlation is not causation" wankers on the youtube and mf did i fucking say it was
also, rich students tend to do better than poor ones, amazing
@davidgerard why do you even give in to them. Ignore them. You know you do your research and some stupid Youtube comments are unlikely to give you any constructive criticism worth listening to.
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@Muddobbers @davidgerard it is important to put in the work. using AI can help you with that. if you try to use it to not having to put in the work it will fail you as a tool
@feliks @Muddobbers @davidgerard or you could just do the work without frying the planet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Students who don’t use AI are ahead on every measure
‘equivalent to being around one year of schooling ahead of their peers’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcRY6M5_mvo&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260908-students-who-dont-use-ai-are-ahead-on-every-measure - podcasttime: 4 min 14 sec
https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/09/08/students-who-dont-use-ai-are-ahead-on-every-measure/ - blog post
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Some MIT professor was like "go ahead, use AI, it'll help you learn computer science and this class!" but he described it as building blocks on building blocks. Unfortunately, if you use the Easy Button, you don't learn anything, so by the time the next block came by you were already one block behind knowledge-wise. It felt like the professor was encouraging his students to fail and be left behind, gleefully.
@Muddobbers @davidgerard based, make students get filtered -
@davidgerard why do you even give in to them. Ignore them. You know you do your research and some stupid Youtube comments are unlikely to give you any constructive criticism worth listening to.
@Albi oh there's a much better button than merely ignore, it's
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@Albi oh there's a much better button than merely ignore, it's
@davidgerard yeaa, but that's effort and I don't think they are worth even that much.
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@feliks @Muddobbers @davidgerard or you could just do the work without frying the planet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@akamran @Muddobbers @davidgerard i see your point. i believe it is important to split ressource requirements and bad policies. at industrial scale this could all be less of a problem if energy was created more sustainably. on a personal scale it is relatively small as it consumes less power than a gaming PC (given normal usage patterns)
it is important where data centers are built and how they are powered and cooled. i believe it is important to regulate towards public benefit
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@davidgerard yeaa, but that's effort and I don't think they are worth even that much.
@Albi oh i enjoy keeping a piss free loungeroom, it turns out to attract *good* comments too
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@zzt @davidgerard lol david gerard blocked me for this post. doesn't seem like he is interested in a meaningful discussion but rather prefers to delude himself... how ironic
@feliks @zzt @davidgerard You may not be correct in your assumption that you are providing meaningful discussion.
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@feliks @davidgerard why didn’t you post the entire paragraph
> How AI use relates to student performance is complex, varying with how students use it and what for. PISA data show that students who use AI for specific schoolwork tasks, such as summarising texts, drafting or conducting research, attain lower scores in science than students who do not use AI. In these scenarios, students who do not use AI outperform those who do, on average, by around 20 points – equivalent to being around one year of schooling ahead of their peers. However, weekly users of AI for general purposes have similar performance outcomes to non-users. Students who regularly use AI for general purposes, and have learning opportunities at school to develop AI literacy skills, tend to have slightly higher scores in science. However, these opportunities are more common among socio-economically advantaged students, risking a growing AI divide.
this says that rich students do better
@zzt @feliks @davidgerard
This REALLY reminds me of seeing a video essay about alcohol. It was looking closely at the widespread argument that moderate, or careful, drinking is healthier than sober living.While this was actually what lots of studies were saying, it turned out that huge part of things being this way is moderate drinkers often being wealthy people. Those with money can afford to drink socially daily, and they can afford good healthcare, healthy living, quality everything. At the same time poor people, even if trying to live healthy, cannot afford many of these things.
The way traditional studies work is they show correlation between two things. Very often viewed out of context, information may look useless, or be used for propaganda. Many things only make sense when viewed as part of more complex systems.
#ClassInequality #Misleading #Sober #Alcohol #Drinking #Propaganda #Health
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Students who don’t use AI are ahead on every measure
‘equivalent to being around one year of schooling ahead of their peers’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcRY6M5_mvo&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260908-students-who-dont-use-ai-are-ahead-on-every-measure - podcasttime: 4 min 14 sec
https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/09/08/students-who-dont-use-ai-are-ahead-on-every-measure/ - blog post
@davidgerard If $10,000 is deposited your cash app account or PayPal unexpectedly , what will you use it for to be honest ?
:A car
:B Bills
:c school
:d families
:e vacation
:l donation
:g food stuff
:h business -
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