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Just had to deal with a bunch of wind turbine conspiracy theories at #StateOfEU, this polite political event I’m at in Brussels.

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Turbines kill birds. They don’t you jerk. Your cat is more a danger to birds. #StateOfEU

    Edit: for clarification - the number isn’t zero. But it’s not a significant issue.

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    #5

    We know beyond any doubt that wind as part of the renewable energy mix is vital. It’s cheaper than nuclear. And sure, turbines make some noise - so don’t build them next to homes. Which you don’t anyway. #StateOfEU

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      Turbines kill birds. They don’t you jerk. Your cat is more a danger to birds. #StateOfEU

      Edit: for clarification - the number isn’t zero. But it’s not a significant issue.

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      #6

      @jon what kind of turbines? Airplane???

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        We know beyond any doubt that wind as part of the renewable energy mix is vital. It’s cheaper than nuclear. And sure, turbines make some noise - so don’t build them next to homes. Which you don’t anyway. #StateOfEU

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        #7

        Also making the case for new nuclear in France right now after the headaches nuclear had with cooling water this summer. WHAT? #StateOfEU

        jon@gruene.socialJ reinald@nrw.socialR mrtnsnp@mastodon.socialM henryk@chaos.socialH amy@ice.ch3.stA 6 Replies Last reply
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        • funbaker@chaos.socialF funbaker@chaos.social

          @jon what kind of turbines? Airplane???

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          #8

          @funbaker see earlier posts. Wind turbines.

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          • jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.ptJ jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.pt

            @jon and the jerk lets the cat roam free, while wind turbines are stationary.

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            #9

            @jt_rebelo 😜😂 @jon

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              Also making the case for new nuclear in France right now after the headaches nuclear had with cooling water this summer. WHAT? #StateOfEU

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              #10

              “And those turbines you see in Brandenburg approaching Berlin are so UGLY!” he went on. Climate change, that’s ugly. #StateOfEU

              kevinrns@mstdn.socialK jon@gruene.socialJ ba_eh@norden.socialB leorjorge@mastodon.socialL matzipan@hachyderm.ioM 7 Replies Last reply
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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                Turbines kill birds. They don’t you jerk. Your cat is more a danger to birds. #StateOfEU

                Edit: for clarification - the number isn’t zero. But it’s not a significant issue.

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                #11

                @jon and there's an easy, cheap fix that significantly reduces bird strikes: paint one of the blades black

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  @funbaker see earlier posts. Wind turbines.

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                  #12

                  @jon sorry, that was meant to be sarcastic...

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    Also making the case for new nuclear in France right now after the headaches nuclear had with cooling water this summer. WHAT? #StateOfEU

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                    #13

                    @jon well Windturbines kill some birds, as a matter of fact. But it is a magnitude lower than car, glass windows/facades or cats.

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                    • reinald@nrw.socialR reinald@nrw.social

                      @jon well Windturbines kill some birds, as a matter of fact. But it is a magnitude lower than car, glass windows/facades or cats.

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                      #14

                      @Reinald Right. That was my point. I didn’t say it’s zero!

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        We know beyond any doubt that wind as part of the renewable energy mix is vital. It’s cheaper than nuclear. And sure, turbines make some noise - so don’t build them next to homes. Which you don’t anyway. #StateOfEU

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                        #15

                        @jon but what about space for new housing development? The rich don't want to buy luxury homes in the middle of the nature and have a wind turbine near them! /s

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                        • jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.ptJ jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.pt

                          @jon but what about space for new housing development? The rich don't want to buy luxury homes in the middle of the nature and have a wind turbine near them! /s

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                          #16

                          @jt_rebelo they’re not buying homes in Bourgogne or the plains of Brandenburg!

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            @Reinald Right. That was my point. I didn’t say it’s zero!

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                            #17

                            @jon I read "they don't, you jerk" as "turbines kill no birds" :-).

                            And climate change will kill way more. Same argument for "woods instead of windturbines"... Climate change will kill way more woods. Even wildfires these days kill more wood than building turbines...

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              @jt_rebelo they’re not buying homes in Bourgogne or the plains of Brandenburg!

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                              #18

                              @jon yet (not even kidding, they are always looking for more and more undeveloped space, in my country they'd set fire to protected areas on a certain municipality, until the then president and municipal assembly ruled that wherever it burned it would be impossible to build for 50 years; no more fires happened since then, and it is a green area in a country rife with forest fires, it's just a coincidence, I'm sure).

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                Also making the case for new nuclear in France right now after the headaches nuclear had with cooling water this summer. WHAT? #StateOfEU

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                                #19

                                @jon I think France stopped funding research on SMRs last year, AFAIR?

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  “And those turbines you see in Brandenburg approaching Berlin are so UGLY!” he went on. Climate change, that’s ugly. #StateOfEU

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                                  #20

                                  @jon

                                  Talk like that should be SHUT DOWN like racism.

                                  I'm serious, I haven't heard it for so long, if I heard it now I would react as if they were promoting slavery and race war.

                                  #shutDown #climate

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    Just had to deal with a bunch of wind turbine conspiracy theories at #StateOfEU, this polite political event I’m at in Brussels. Damn we‘re fucked. Fucked. Our notional political elite is believing in utter complete garbage.

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                                    #21

                                    @jon

                                    Much of the intergenerational wealth of the 1% is reliant on fossil fuel "forever" investments.

                                    The Moneyed never handle transitions very well.

                                    Landed gentry fought democratic reform for decades. French & Russian revolutions were the result.

                                    It took two world wars to end the British Empire's grip on global trade.

                                    It looks like another world war is brewing as fossil fuel interests fight the switch to renewable energy.

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      Also making the case for new nuclear in France right now after the headaches nuclear had with cooling water this summer. WHAT? #StateOfEU

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                                      #22

                                      @jon but you really need to maintain a dependency on Russian resources. If it isn’t gas, then it must be uranium.

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        “And those turbines you see in Brandenburg approaching Berlin are so UGLY!” he went on. Climate change, that’s ugly. #StateOfEU

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                                        #23

                                        And there was another line. “It’s rich landowners in Brandenburg taking the subsidies from the state to build wind turbines”. This is an equality / distribution issue, not an energy issue! Think of the opposite: “we shouldn’t build turbines there because the land owners are rich!” Errrr… #StateOfEU

                                        giggls@karlsruhe-social.deG moritzkraehe@zug.networkM ignaloidas@not.acu.ltI jon@gruene.socialJ cyrevolt@mastodon.socialC 7 Replies Last reply
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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          Just had to deal with a bunch of wind turbine conspiracy theories at #StateOfEU, this polite political event I’m at in Brussels. Damn we‘re fucked. Fucked. Our notional political elite is believing in utter complete garbage.

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                                          #24

                                          @jon It's incredibly infuriating that most of these conspiracies theories have been blown up into the European discourse by one person - and it's not a European.

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