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Open source maintainers at profitable companies: stop asking permission to fix what your employer already depends on.

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  • critter_in_flux@fluffs.auC critter_in_flux@fluffs.au

    @mikemcquaid
    "No paperwork required. No internal programme. No request for a manager’s blessing. Treat it like the infrastructure and technical debt work it already is and just crack on."

    Ah there's a problem, I have to beg for time to fix technical debt and infrastructure work as well

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    Edit: facetious reply aside, yes, wholeheartedly agree with this

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    @critter_in_flux Glad we agree. Do the tech debt without permission too 😄

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    • mikemcquaid@mastodon.socialM mikemcquaid@mastodon.social

      @krans If you read your employment contract you can also probably be fired for cause for a wide variety of reasons that are broadly ignored. I disagree it's bad advice although your employer may not agree. If they don't and they use open source software, they are freeloaders.

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      #22

      @mikemcquaid Yes, absolutely. My employer is indeed a freeloader. Freeloading corporations exploit open source software *wildly*.

      Nevertheless, if I was caught publishing open source software on company time without the appropriate paperwork, I would be instantly fired.

      Believe it or not, I have read my contract in detail, and there are no examples of contextual obligations that are “broadly ignored.”

      People who do “no paperwork” will lose their livelihoods. Bad advice. Do the paperwork.

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      • krans@mastodon.me.ukK krans@mastodon.me.uk

        @mikemcquaid Yes, absolutely. My employer is indeed a freeloader. Freeloading corporations exploit open source software *wildly*.

        Nevertheless, if I was caught publishing open source software on company time without the appropriate paperwork, I would be instantly fired.

        Believe it or not, I have read my contract in detail, and there are no examples of contextual obligations that are “broadly ignored.”

        People who do “no paperwork” will lose their livelihoods. Bad advice. Do the paperwork.

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        #23

        @krans Most people I know have contracts that say they could technically be fired for ever using a company device for non-work reasons. They wouldn't be even if caught but this is why they don't disclose it, so they don't get caught. I actively recommend people do the same with something morally more positive: open source. Ironically, my career would have suffered far more from following your advice than heeding it. I have private messages from many other maintainers saying the same thing.

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        • mikemcquaid@mastodon.socialM mikemcquaid@mastodon.social

          @krans Most people I know have contracts that say they could technically be fired for ever using a company device for non-work reasons. They wouldn't be even if caught but this is why they don't disclose it, so they don't get caught. I actively recommend people do the same with something morally more positive: open source. Ironically, my career would have suffered far more from following your advice than heeding it. I have private messages from many other maintainers saying the same thing.

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          @mikemcquaid Okay 👍

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          • mikemcquaid@mastodon.socialM mikemcquaid@mastodon.social

            Open source maintainers at profitable companies: stop asking permission to fix what your employer already depends on.

            No paperwork. No programme. No manager’s blessing. Just maintain it on the clock.

            https://ossresistance.com

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            @mikemcquaid Hmm... Fix 'taking without paying' by 'taking without paying'? I guess that might (occasionally) work out fairly but mostly it feels like a revenge attack on corporate greed and more likely to lead to FOSS being banned if your 'activism' is detected. You will probably end up on a list of suspected terrorists. 🙂

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            • mikemcquaid@mastodon.socialM mikemcquaid@mastodon.social

              Open source maintainers at profitable companies: stop asking permission to fix what your employer already depends on.

              No paperwork. No programme. No manager’s blessing. Just maintain it on the clock.

              https://ossresistance.com

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              @mikemcquaid I think I submitted a few patches with my personal email to projects we were using to fix a bug or upstream a change. Because fuck it, I am not going through legal to allow me to do this, else I will have to wait 6 months to get an answer from company lawyers.

              But only for necessary patches.

              I tried to push for Open Source Friday time at top management level but the idea got shut down: “we do not have time for this” 😭

              Anyway: I like the mindset of oss resistance 😉

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              • woo@fosstodon.orgW woo@fosstodon.org

                @mikemcquaid Hmm... Fix 'taking without paying' by 'taking without paying'? I guess that might (occasionally) work out fairly but mostly it feels like a revenge attack on corporate greed and more likely to lead to FOSS being banned if your 'activism' is detected. You will probably end up on a list of suspected terrorists. 🙂

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                @woo This does not match my experience. It doesn't feel like "revenge" as much as "doing the right thing even without permission" like you might write tests even if your PM says not to, pay down tech debt even if not on the roadmap, etc.

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