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Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*.

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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    @tante hotter take: finished projects should have their reasoning specified, including goals and implementation details

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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      @tante There needs to be a differentiator though to not mistake "done" with "abandoned" or plain dormant.

      I found this podcast episode to be helpful to sort this field:
      Abandoned open source with Josh Marpet

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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        #126

        @tante i agree, but it has to move at least as fast as its dependencies

        newer library versions need to be incorporated, deprecated programming language features need to be replaced

        so there is an inherent speed up when you go down the dependency tree

        now matter the volume of changes, one could however still call this "done" as long as no new features are added

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        • hllizi@hespere.deH hllizi@hespere.de

          @mirabilos
          Of course, but it's not in the hands of the maintainer of any given piece of software anymore if they don't want to provide patches for old dependencies themselves so they won't have to change the code of the software itself.
          @tante @leonid

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          #127

          @hllizi @tante @leonid do you know how often I became maintainer of something because I was the last remaining user? *shrug*

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          • hbons@mastodon.socialH hbons@mastodon.social

            @tante more projects should add a “what-it’s-not” list next to the feature list.

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            #128

            @hbons @tante

            So "EMACS is just an editor" would have seen it finished by about 1978... 🤔 🤪

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            • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

              @hllizi @tante @leonid do you know how often I became maintainer of something because I was the last remaining user? *shrug*

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              #129

              @mirabilos
              That's admirable but maybe not a model that works for everyone. 😃
              @tante @leonid

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              • hllizi@hespere.deH hllizi@hespere.de

                @mirabilos
                That's admirable but maybe not a model that works for everyone. 😃
                @tante @leonid

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                #130

                @hllizi @tante @leonid if your software has a dependency, this is on the horizon implicitly

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                • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                  @hllizi @tante @leonid if your software has a dependency, this is on the horizon implicitly

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                  #131

                  @mirabilos

                  If it's the only possibility to keep the software running at all, of course, but just in order to keep the software running with an older version of the dependency so that you won't have to adjust the software itself?

                  @tante @leonid

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                  • hllizi@hespere.deH hllizi@hespere.de

                    @mirabilos

                    If it's the only possibility to keep the software running at all, of course, but just in order to keep the software running with an older version of the dependency so that you won't have to adjust the software itself?

                    @tante @leonid

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                    #132

                    @hllizi @tante @leonid at that point it becomes a consideration, of course; but sometimes, there is no newer version

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                    • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                      @hllizi @tante @leonid at that point it becomes a consideration, of course; but sometimes, there is no newer version

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                      #133

                      @mirabilos
                      That's another thing of course, in this case there will hardly be any other option.
                      @tante @leonid

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                        #134

                        @tante i feel i've seen this take enough times by now that it's pretty cold, actually

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                        • entailment@woof.techE entailment@woof.tech

                          @tante i feel i've seen this take enough times by now that it's pretty cold, actually

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                          @entailment @tante it can still be hot if we keep feeding the fire with fresh fuel

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                            #136

                            @tante

                            Somehow even ls(1) has gotten progressively more annoying over the years I've been using Linux.

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