folks, i'm sorry to inform you that justin m. keyes, the primary dev of @neovim absolutely hated the idea of removing an endorsement by a bona fide fascist from the main webpage of the neovim editor.

[mawhrin@circumstances.run]

RE: https://circumstances.run/@mawhrin/117167466758241828

folks, i'm sorry to inform you that justin m. keyes, the primary dev of @neovim absolutely hated the idea of removing an endorsement by a bona fide fascist from the main webpage of the neovim editor.

what happened: i've opened a ticket asking to remove the heinemeier hansson quote; keyes responded to the ticket a few times, first with simply “don't care”, then with more angry elucidation, then closed as not planned, and finally the issue was removed altogether.

unfortunately i have only mail receipts, which missed the rage part of the episode.

added: another core maintainer of neovim, tj de vries, is scheduled to speak during dhh's omacon. well.

[mawhrin@circumstances.run]

in conclusion: i'm terribly sorry to tell you all that, but @neovim is #fashware.

[mawhrin@circumstances.run]

very obviously, i'm looking for a replacement for @neovim now.

[martin@social.mdosch.de]

@mawhrin@circumstances.run @neovim@hachyderm.io Why not just take #vim? There is also a fork #vimclassic which aims at being #slopfree: https://vim-classic.org/

[gemelen@mammut.moe]

@mawhrin
Unfortunately, on that side of the emacs vs *vi* "war" there is pretty much nothing. The only acceptable one is the de-slopped vim version, I guess?

@neovim

[davidgerard@circumstances.run]

@mawhrin @neovim ed is the standard text editor

[oblomov@sociale.network]

@martin @mawhrin @neovim

vimclassic is a fork of rather old version (8.x), for newer feature it might also be worth looking into evi (that forked from 9.1)

https://codeberg.org/evi-editor/evi

[mawhrin@circumstances.run]

@gemelen at this stage i am seriously considering moving to emacs, and you need to understand this: i'm using vim as a primary editor since it was distributed on fred fish' disks with software for amigaos. so, more than thirty two years now.

[mawhrin@circumstances.run]

@oblomov @martin the thing i hate the most is having to re-do the whole lua configuration in vimscript again.

[gemelen@mammut.moe]

@mawhrin
I totally understand you, even if my time with *vim* is shorter than that - still, there are principles.

[huronbikes@cyberplace.social]

@mawhrin @neovim "I want to edit text but without nods to fascism" shouldn't have to be a tall order and yet here we are.

[oblomov@sociale.network]

@mawhrin @martin

I wonder if evi developers would be interested in adding support for a neovim-compatible lua configuration, at least in the lua-enabled builds. I've seen other posts from people wanting to jump from neovim for similar (DHH) reasons, so maybe there's some momentum there.

[angry_drunk@union.place]

@mawhrin It is so fucking exhausting having these neo-Nazi pieces of shit infesting every aspect of computing.

[mawhrin@circumstances.run]

@davidgerard fuck you too

[mhcat@climatejustice.social]

@mawhrin @davidgerard

might I suggest vim-classic.org?

A pre-LLM vim fork, unrelated to neovim, maintained with love by @drew who just demonstrated righteous morality in the form of sourcehut's new LLM policy: https://sourcehut.org/blog/2026-08-27-tos-changes-and-llms/

[mason@partychickens.net]

@oblomov

This makes me glad I avoid vimisms like the plague. I can live inside nvi happily enough. Really, the only thing I'm hooked on from the vim family is the undo behaviour, and I could retrain myself easily enough given that I only came to vim after years of other vi.

I'm regularly helping my students unlearn "go into insert mode to delete things". And they want to make this change as soon as they realize how much extra work they're doing.

@martin @mawhrin @neovim

[zzt@mas.to]

@mawhrin @neovim there’s a fucking convention for dhh’s shitty arch repack?

[mawhrin@circumstances.run]

@zzt sure is.

[zm@kolektiva.social]

@zzt
@mawhrin @neovim

> heinemeier hansson

Took me a second to figure out who this was because I "programmed" myself that DHH is David Heinrich Himmler and I can't unlearn it for some reason

[zzt@mas.to]

@zm @mawhrin @neovim don’t unlearn it, it’s accurate