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  3. When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

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  • numodular@c.imN numodular@c.im

    @jascha Lest they be working more for profit, than higher ethics.

    I went to school with a couple of eventual billionaire lobbyists. Quite bright scientists.

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    #105

    @numodular @jascha "quite bright" is "dim".

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    • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

      When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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      #106

      @jascha I'm going to spend hundreds of hours and hundreds of thousands of euros to find this thing out, and then I'm just gonna not tell anyone what I spent the hundreds of hours and hundreds of thousands of euro to find out. My little secret 🙊

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      • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

        When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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        #107

        @jascha Married to a scientist. Toot personally verified.

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        • scogings@mastodon.worldS scogings@mastodon.world

          @leeloo @RogerBW @jascha Only Greeks?

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          #108

          @scogings @RogerBW @jascha
          The man who is known to have done the calculation back then was Greek.

          He may not have been the only one or the first.

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          • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

            When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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            #109

            @jascha

            It’s kind of funny for anyone to make that assertion in a publish or perish world

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            • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

              When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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              #110

              @jascha I can confirm this - my brother is a biochemist and he has one research project he was on that he still tells people about at bus stops.

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              • yon@sakurajima.moeY yon@sakurajima.moe

                @dougiec3 @jascha Might be related to how there are a lot of “cures” for cancer that never became a product.

                Because killing cancer is pretty easy. The problem is not killing the patient. What’s impossible is for the media to not wildly incorrectly report on things:/

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                #111

                @yon @dougiec3 @jascha Personally I would consider not killing the patient to be an intrinsic part of the definition of "cure" but this is still funny 😂

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                • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

                  @crazyeddie @GutterPoetry @jascha now, derptron, if you wish to call me an ass because of that point, that's on you.

                  At least you did not call me a misogynist. That was the obvious trap.

                  Misogyny exists. The problem is what needs to be addressed regardless of intent, and that is bigger than all of us.

                  Good talk. 🙃

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                  #112

                  @knowprose I believe it's a systemic vs individual issue thing. Systemic bias is not intentional, but also harder to spot than individual prejudice. Like how me and many other women who consider themselves modern feminists still perpetuate(d) a "deal with it" attitude regarding period pain, which discourages those with very painful cysts and endometriosis from seeking diagnosis. Not intentional, but we need to do better

                  I'm sorry to hear about your father and hope he still could get treatment.

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                  • diazona@techhub.socialD diazona@techhub.social

                    @yon @dougiec3 @jascha Personally I would consider not killing the patient to be an intrinsic part of the definition of "cure" but this is still funny 😂

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                    #113

                    @diazona @dougiec3 @jascha Not just cancer either. It’s kind of a general things. Yes it’s tongue in cheek 🙂 But it’s why there’s phases etc. I don’t think most are aware of how medical research works, they just see the (BS) headlines.

                    (I don’t have the know how to understand medical research etc. Just know a bit about parts of the process as a guinea pig.)

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                    • yon@sakurajima.moeY yon@sakurajima.moe

                      @diazona @dougiec3 @jascha Not just cancer either. It’s kind of a general things. Yes it’s tongue in cheek 🙂 But it’s why there’s phases etc. I don’t think most are aware of how medical research works, they just see the (BS) headlines.

                      (I don’t have the know how to understand medical research etc. Just know a bit about parts of the process as a guinea pig.)

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                      #114

                      @yon @diazona @jascha
                      I've dabbled in guinea piggery myself.

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                      • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                        When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                        #115

                        @jascha
                        Dont look up or Idiocracy?
                        Global warming: Humanity? Well done.

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                        • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                          When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                          #116

                          @jascha Today I learned I'm a scientist.

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                          • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                            When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                            #117

                            @jascha 💯

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                            • joemug@mastodon.socialJ joemug@mastodon.social

                              @jascha TBH, I've never heard the phrase "Scientists do not want you to know" spoken or written before today.
                              Joys of picking and choosing my life in a sane community/city/state/family.

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                              #118

                              @joemug @jascha it's a big thing on most social media/youtube. Make some extreme claim of some miracle product that "scientists have been hiding" to sell some snakeoil through an affiliate link or personal store, or just completely made up for the views and ad revenue.

                              You can also replace scientist with "gardener", "mechanic" whatever and see much the same, and the related "I stopped going to the store/etc and do X instead" tagline.

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                              • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                @jascha
                                They use that line as clickbait, but it doesn't work on anyone who has the slightest clue about science and scientists.

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                                • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                  When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                  @jascha I recently heard about Radiation Hormesis, or the theory (as in scientific theory backed by data and currently under testing and review) that some radiation in your environment is actually good because it stimulates DNA repair mechanisms that also tend to catch and repair DNA damage from other causes like oxidative stress.

                                  They badly want you to know, you can google Radiation Hormesis... But they also want you to know that the data isn't quite fully in yet.

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                                  • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                    When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                    @jascha https://infosec.exchange/@catsalad/116166166481969236

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                                    • elduvelle@neuromatch.socialE elduvelle@neuromatch.social

                                      @csolisr I've never personally experienced or even remotely heard of a funder trying to influence the results of a study (and been a scientist for about 15 years now). I'm sure it can happen but it will be a negligible minority.

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                                      #122

                                      @elduvelle @csolisr Influencing the results is one thing, but there is definitely a bias in funding bodies towards funding research that will show short-term economic benefit over research that will have longer-term or non-economic benefit.

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                                      • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                        When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                        #123

                                        @jascha ❤️

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                                        • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                                          @arendjr @jascha I can think of no reason why a computer scientist wouldn't want you to understand quantum computers. There's furthermore plenty of stuff you can read online about them. You can dig into all the theory and learn quite a lot.

                                          What makes you think we want to hide this knowledge from you? It's not like you can go build a quantum computer and accidentally everyone into dust or puddles of bio remnant goo.

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                                          #124

                                          @crazyeddie @jascha probably the same reason why native developers might not want you to learn about web development… they might fear their career is in jeopardy if another technology overtakes theirs…

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