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  3. When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.

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  • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

    When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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    #9

    @jascha @chirpbirb they also tend to want to talk about what they *don't* know

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    • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

      When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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      #10

      @jascha Yeah. Have you ever tried talking to a scientist about their field of study? I don't particularly recommend it; once you get them going, it's damn near impossible to get them to shut up! 😉

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      • mkj@social.mkj.earthM mkj@social.mkj.earth

        @jascha Yeah. Have you ever tried talking to a scientist about their field of study? I don't particularly recommend it; once you get them going, it's damn near impossible to get them to shut up! 😉

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        #11

        @mkj @jascha ... You still haven't said why I shouldn't? All I heard is why I should. 😛

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        • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

          When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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          #12

          @jascha Scientists don't want you to know about Roko's Basilisk.

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          • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

            When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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            #13

            @jascha scientists dont want you to know that they said "you too" to the waiter that told them "bon apetit".

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            • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

              When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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              #14

              @jascha

              . . . this one neat trick. ugh.

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              • rogerbw@discordian.socialR rogerbw@discordian.social

                @jascha Scientists probably don't want you to listen to flat earth no-vaccines guy, but that's because someone did the debunking 50 years ago back when that seemed worth doing.

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                #15

                @RogerBW @jascha
                Scientists don't want to bother debunking Flat Earth because someone already did that with a stick thousands of years ago

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                • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                  When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                  #16

                  @jascha

                  Oh please someone read this paper. Anyone! Anyone with a heartbeat please read this paper. Here.

                  The assholes at Elsevier put it behind a paywall but here's a preprint you can share with anyone else who has a heartbeat.

                  Please for the love of God. Anyone read this!!!

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                  • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

                    @jascha it's the whole point of science.

                    The friction occurs because of who funds studies, etc. And that can be legitimate.

                    But science itself is just science.

                    Every conversation I have had where I encountered this, I made that point. And it sticks.

                    There is bias in some aspects of what is *presented* as science.

                    But that's not science.

                    Science is not marketing. So I point to that. 🙃

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                    #17

                    @knowprose @jascha one of the reasons we founded BIML was to do science unencumbered by marketing pressure #MLsec

                    https://berryvilleiml.com/

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                    • noplasticshower@infosec.exchangeN noplasticshower@infosec.exchange

                      @knowprose @jascha one of the reasons we founded BIML was to do science unencumbered by marketing pressure #MLsec

                      https://berryvilleiml.com/

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                      #18

                      @noplasticshower @jascha One of the many reasons I follow you.

                      My own writing tends toward the same thing, but I am not a scientist. I just follow coherence. It takes me to interesting places. 🙂

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                      • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                        When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                        #19

                        @jascha They sure sound enthusiastic on https://www.cbc.ca/radio/quirks 😉

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                        • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

                          @noplasticshower @jascha One of the many reasons I follow you.

                          My own writing tends toward the same thing, but I am not a scientist. I just follow coherence. It takes me to interesting places. 🙂

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                          #20

                          @knowprose @jascha Thank you for that. Attention is all we need...LOL

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                          • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                            When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                            #21

                            @jascha
                            Reminds me of that joke

                            Child to his biologist dad:
                            "Dad what's an electron?"

                            Dad: "Why don't you ask your mom, she's the physicist, electrons are her wheelworks."

                            Child: "But I don't want to know *that* much about it."

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                            • noplasticshower@infosec.exchangeN noplasticshower@infosec.exchange

                              @knowprose @jascha Thank you for that. Attention is all we need...LOL

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                              #22

                              @noplasticshower @jascha It's a marathon, that's for sure.

                              The Distraction economy keeps the good stuff out of people's heads. Been writing about that, though data sovereignty has been the more prominent thing in the past week. Wrapping that up today on knowprose.com.

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                              • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                #23

                                @jascha
                                If anything, scientists are wary of telling you because they know you’ll take whatever they say to the most illogical conclusion.

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                                • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                  When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                  #24

                                  @jascha they put all their shit online and are begging you to engage with their ideas, if you can credibly disprove something they will change their theories because of you!

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                                  • octaviaconamore@cutie.cityO octaviaconamore@cutie.city

                                    @jascha @chirpbirb they also tend to want to talk about what they *don't* know

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                                    #25

                                    @OctaviaConAmore @jascha @chirpbirb very chatty! 😅

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                                    • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                      When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                      #26

                                      @jascha while I agree that it is indeed an overly generalist statement, I don’t think you should dismiss everything someone says after they made a possible mistake.

                                      Physicians often don’t want you to know about metaphysics. Biologists often don’t want you to know about endogenetics. Computer scientists don’t want you to understand quantum computers.

                                      Scientists are people like everyone else, and they too will often deny what you say based on bias or pass you off like a hot potato.

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                                      • knowprose@mastodon.socialK knowprose@mastodon.social

                                        @jascha it's the whole point of science.

                                        The friction occurs because of who funds studies, etc. And that can be legitimate.

                                        But science itself is just science.

                                        Every conversation I have had where I encountered this, I made that point. And it sticks.

                                        There is bias in some aspects of what is *presented* as science.

                                        But that's not science.

                                        Science is not marketing. So I point to that. 🙃

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                                        #27

                                        @knowprose @jascha

                                        Not exactly, for example, medical research is riddled with misogyny. The bias towards white males in scientific studies does lead to conclusions which are incorrectly applied to the whole of humanity.

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                                        • jascha@ohai.socialJ jascha@ohai.social

                                          When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.

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                                          #28

                                          @jascha Yes, this is exactly why I became a scientist 😹

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