When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.
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@jascha it's the whole point of science.
The friction occurs because of who funds studies, etc. And that can be legitimate.
But science itself is just science.
Every conversation I have had where I encountered this, I made that point. And it sticks.
There is bias in some aspects of what is *presented* as science.
But that's not science.
Science is not marketing. So I point to that.
Not exactly, for example, medical research is riddled with misogyny. The bias towards white males in scientific studies does lead to conclusions which are incorrectly applied to the whole of humanity.
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha Yes, this is exactly why I became a scientist
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Not exactly, for example, medical research is riddled with misogyny. The bias towards white males in scientific studies does lead to conclusions which are incorrectly applied to the whole of humanity.
@GutterPoetry @jascha That is a valid issue.
That is a science issue but it is a blind spot that is being addressed.
I'll give you an example.
My father was in a diabetic coma, but he had no ketones in his urine. Why? He was East Indian. The medicine around that has changed.
Not misogyny. Misogyny requires intent. Medicine has been biased toward white males. No question. But I won't say every doctor who built it hated women. That seems extreme.
Some did. Maybe many. But not all.
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@GutterPoetry @jascha That is a valid issue.
That is a science issue but it is a blind spot that is being addressed.
I'll give you an example.
My father was in a diabetic coma, but he had no ketones in his urine. Why? He was East Indian. The medicine around that has changed.
Not misogyny. Misogyny requires intent. Medicine has been biased toward white males. No question. But I won't say every doctor who built it hated women. That seems extreme.
Some did. Maybe many. But not all.
@GutterPoetry @jascha So to follow up and be clear...
Has there been misogyny in medicine? Yes.
Is all medicine misogynistic? No.
Nuance.
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha Scientists don't want you to know why scientists don't want you to know.
(but yes, you are accurate, scientists have an insessent need to let you know what they know. )
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha THANK YOU!! (Same with doctors.)
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
Scientists generally want you to know, the people that finance their work on the other hand? It depends on how marketable is the discovery -
When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
That's a bit like saying "Nine out of ten dentists... leaves one dentist."
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@anatomical_normalcy @RogerBW @jascha you don't need to debunk flat earth. It's perfectly fine, you'll just have to deal with a horrible geometry and a lot of additional assumptions to compensate for your shitty model 🧚
Aaand: as a local approximation it's killer
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha they want you to know so bad, they've devised a whole elaborate system around publishing their research.
They're holding regular conferences and publish everything that's been presented there as "proceedings".
They _teach_ at public institutions to make sure more people know each year.
They want you to know! That's literally their job
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha Also, "they paid off the scientists to say [something untrue]" (or to hide the truth) is another sign that the speaker doesn't know a damn thing about scientists (and probably has an axe to grind and/or some snake oil to sell you).
If they were that motivated by money, they wouldn't have gone into science in the first place. They'd have gotten an MBA or something.
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha Translation: "scientists don't want you to believe this, because they know it's nonsense."
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@jascha while I agree that it is indeed an overly generalist statement, I don’t think you should dismiss everything someone says after they made a possible mistake.
Physicians often don’t want you to know about metaphysics. Biologists often don’t want you to know about endogenetics. Computer scientists don’t want you to understand quantum computers.
Scientists are people like everyone else, and they too will often deny what you say based on bias or pass you off like a hot potato.
@arendjr @jascha I can think of no reason why a computer scientist wouldn't want you to understand quantum computers. There's furthermore plenty of stuff you can read online about them. You can dig into all the theory and learn quite a lot.
What makes you think we want to hide this knowledge from you? It's not like you can go build a quantum computer and accidentally everyone into dust or puddles of bio remnant goo.
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@GutterPoetry @jascha So to follow up and be clear...
Has there been misogyny in medicine? Yes.
Is all medicine misogynistic? No.
Nuance.
@knowprose @GutterPoetry @jascha Wrong nuance.
Your little hair split doesn't even matter because you left out the important bit:
* Is there a system of misogyny in medical science that results in improper medicine? Yes.
"But not everyone is misogynistic..."
You're not even making a point even though you think it's a very important one.
"nuance" <- ass
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha Tired: "scientists keep telling me this is bullshit"
Wired: "scientists don't want you to know" -
@jascha Scientists probably don't want you to listen to flat earth no-vaccines guy, but that's because someone did the debunking 50 years ago back when that seemed worth doing.
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