When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on.
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@anatomical_normalcy @RogerBW @jascha you don't need to debunk flat earth. It's perfectly fine, you'll just have to deal with a horrible geometry and a lot of additional assumptions to compensate for your shitty model 🧚
Aaand: as a local approximation it's killer
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha they want you to know so bad, they've devised a whole elaborate system around publishing their research.
They're holding regular conferences and publish everything that's been presented there as "proceedings".
They _teach_ at public institutions to make sure more people know each year.
They want you to know! That's literally their job
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha Also, "they paid off the scientists to say [something untrue]" (or to hide the truth) is another sign that the speaker doesn't know a damn thing about scientists (and probably has an axe to grind and/or some snake oil to sell you).
If they were that motivated by money, they wouldn't have gone into science in the first place. They'd have gotten an MBA or something.
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha Translation: "scientists don't want you to believe this, because they know it's nonsense."
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@jascha while I agree that it is indeed an overly generalist statement, I don’t think you should dismiss everything someone says after they made a possible mistake.
Physicians often don’t want you to know about metaphysics. Biologists often don’t want you to know about endogenetics. Computer scientists don’t want you to understand quantum computers.
Scientists are people like everyone else, and they too will often deny what you say based on bias or pass you off like a hot potato.
@arendjr @jascha I can think of no reason why a computer scientist wouldn't want you to understand quantum computers. There's furthermore plenty of stuff you can read online about them. You can dig into all the theory and learn quite a lot.
What makes you think we want to hide this knowledge from you? It's not like you can go build a quantum computer and accidentally everyone into dust or puddles of bio remnant goo.
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@GutterPoetry @jascha So to follow up and be clear...
Has there been misogyny in medicine? Yes.
Is all medicine misogynistic? No.
Nuance.
@knowprose @GutterPoetry @jascha Wrong nuance.
Your little hair split doesn't even matter because you left out the important bit:
* Is there a system of misogyny in medical science that results in improper medicine? Yes.
"But not everyone is misogynistic..."
You're not even making a point even though you think it's a very important one.
"nuance" <- ass
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha Tired: "scientists keep telling me this is bullshit"
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@jascha Scientists probably don't want you to listen to flat earth no-vaccines guy, but that's because someone did the debunking 50 years ago back when that seemed worth doing.
Maybe for vaccines.
We¹ knew the Earth is round 600 BC, and had calculated the circumference by 300 BC.
¹) The people who lived in Greece back then, of course none of us had been born yet.
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha
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@knowprose @GutterPoetry @jascha Wrong nuance.
Your little hair split doesn't even matter because you left out the important bit:
* Is there a system of misogyny in medical science that results in improper medicine? Yes.
"But not everyone is misogynistic..."
You're not even making a point even though you think it's a very important one.
"nuance" <- ass
@crazyeddie @GutterPoetry @jascha i am glad for the response.
The point is broad brushes don't hit the corners that do need to be addressed.
Like heart attacks in women. Ketone in urine related to diabetic comas. Etc.
Overuse causes these things to be lost in the broad brush.
And again, misogyny assumes intent. It's in the very definition of the word, pre-supposing.
Oversight happen regardless of intent.
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha
"Scientists do not want you to know“ is the same kind of snake oil lie as "They didn't teach you this about history in school!"It wasn't your high school teacher's job to force feed *everything* into the unwelcoming territory of your brain while you stared glassy-eyed through the window. Go read some books and stop trying to market your willful incuriosity as persecution victimhood.
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@knowprose @GutterPoetry @jascha Wrong nuance.
Your little hair split doesn't even matter because you left out the important bit:
* Is there a system of misogyny in medical science that results in improper medicine? Yes.
"But not everyone is misogynistic..."
You're not even making a point even though you think it's a very important one.
"nuance" <- ass
@crazyeddie @GutterPoetry @jascha now, derptron, if you wish to call me an ass because of that point, that's on you.
At least you did not call me a misogynist. That was the obvious trap.
Misogyny exists. The problem is what needs to be addressed regardless of intent, and that is bigger than all of us.
Good talk.
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha This
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha
There's a conspiracy theory that's been around for as long as I know; that a cure for cancer has been found, but is being kept secret because the pharmaceutical corporations have paid off the discoverer(s).
As if someone could resist the acclaim, the historical significance and the Nobel Prize. -
When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
It can be extended to Your doctor, Politicians, People with qualificaitons, people who have given some serious consideration to etc etc
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
Just think of all those brilliant scientists driven to evil madness BECAUSE no one would listen to them!
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha likewise, when someone says "doctors don't want you to know," it's actually that insurance companies don't want you to know.
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When someone says „Scientists do not want you to know“ you can dismiss everything from there on. Scientists want you to know. They are desperate that you know. They can’t shut up about what they found out and want you to know.
@jascha I am a scientist and I want you to know that you have totally nailed it
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@jascha Also, "they paid off the scientists to say [something untrue]" (or to hide the truth) is another sign that the speaker doesn't know a damn thing about scientists (and probably has an axe to grind and/or some snake oil to sell you).
If they were that motivated by money, they wouldn't have gone into science in the first place. They'd have gotten an MBA or something.
