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  • erikvanstraten@todon.nlE This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    #AntiGenocideStemHulp 🧵1️⃣ / 1️⃣9️⃣

    ▶️ DEFINITIES (van mij)

    ♨️ AntiSemitisme: een vijandig, uitsluitend op vooroordelen gebaseerd, beeld van Joden (iets aangepast uit https://www.cidi.nl/antisemitisme/waarom-heet-jodenhaat-antisemitisme/). JodenHaat = AntiSemitisme.

    🎗️ Zionisme
    Sowieso: géén "tweestatenoplossing" en Gaza blijft een concentratiekamp. Aanvallen (elk "vijandig" land) is de beste verdediging. Lak aan VN-verdragen.
    VAN: handhaven van de huidige geografische situatie;
    T/M: uitbreiden van Israël (YESHA = Judea, Samaria en Gaza) tot ver buiten de huidige grenzen. Objective 2 uit https://myesha.org.il/?CategoryID=419: "To safeguard Israel's strategic expanses–between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea" - dus 'From the river to the sea' (zij wel).

    🇳🇱TK: Tweede Kamer

    ❓ Meer info "onder" ALT in plaatjes.

    ▶️ INDEX

    🔹 Probleem 🧵2️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115442208752448848

    🔹 'Oplossingen' 🧵4️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115442275014645165

    🔹 AntiSemitisme 🧵8️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115442331658794663

    🔹 Holocaust 🧵🔟 https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115442444011792261

    🔹 Politiek 2024: 🧵1️⃣2️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115447023953974568

    🔹 Politiek 2025: 🧵1️⃣8️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115453738693486001

    🔹 Stemadvies 🧵1️⃣9️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115453855339387932

    Nb. ook met stemadvies: https://rightsforum.org/kieswijzer-2025/.

    #Genocide #StemWijzer #Gaza #Westbank #Zionisme #AntiSemitisme #DefinitieVanAntisemitisme #IsaacHerzogToICC #FrancescaAlbaneseIsRight #Hasbara #IsraelTerroristState #IHRAsucks

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    • erikvanstraten@todon.nlE erikvanstraten@todon.nl

      #AntiGenocideStemHulp 🧵1️⃣ / 1️⃣9️⃣

      ▶️ DEFINITIES (van mij)

      ♨️ AntiSemitisme: een vijandig, uitsluitend op vooroordelen gebaseerd, beeld van Joden (iets aangepast uit https://www.cidi.nl/antisemitisme/waarom-heet-jodenhaat-antisemitisme/). JodenHaat = AntiSemitisme.

      🎗️ Zionisme
      Sowieso: géén "tweestatenoplossing" en Gaza blijft een concentratiekamp. Aanvallen (elk "vijandig" land) is de beste verdediging. Lak aan VN-verdragen.
      VAN: handhaven van de huidige geografische situatie;
      T/M: uitbreiden van Israël (YESHA = Judea, Samaria en Gaza) tot ver buiten de huidige grenzen. Objective 2 uit https://myesha.org.il/?CategoryID=419: "To safeguard Israel's strategic expanses–between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea" - dus 'From the river to the sea' (zij wel).

      🇳🇱TK: Tweede Kamer

      ❓ Meer info "onder" ALT in plaatjes.

      ▶️ INDEX

      🔹 Probleem 🧵2️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115442208752448848

      🔹 'Oplossingen' 🧵4️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115442275014645165

      🔹 AntiSemitisme 🧵8️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115442331658794663

      🔹 Holocaust 🧵🔟 https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115442444011792261

      🔹 Politiek 2024: 🧵1️⃣2️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115447023953974568

      🔹 Politiek 2025: 🧵1️⃣8️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115453738693486001

      🔹 Stemadvies 🧵1️⃣9️⃣ https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115453855339387932

      Nb. ook met stemadvies: https://rightsforum.org/kieswijzer-2025/.

      #Genocide #StemWijzer #Gaza #Westbank #Zionisme #AntiSemitisme #DefinitieVanAntisemitisme #IsaacHerzogToICC #FrancescaAlbaneseIsRight #Hasbara #IsraelTerroristState #IHRAsucks

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      #2

      @ErikvanStraten
      i don't think your diagram is correct: non-jewish zionists exist (joe biden for example); and there's a lot of antisemitism coming from jews (like what some zionist jews have to say about jewish voice for peace).

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      • pelle@veganism.socialP pelle@veganism.social

        @ErikvanStraten
        i don't think your diagram is correct: non-jewish zionists exist (joe biden for example); and there's a lot of antisemitism coming from jews (like what some zionist jews have to say about jewish voice for peace).

        erikvanstraten@todon.nlE This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @pelle : green is Jews (Joden), light-red are non-Jews (niet-Joden).

        What I'm trying to explain is AntiSemitism as I defined it (the type that led to the indiscriminate murder of 6M Jews during WWII - only because they were Jews).

        It is also how Sarah Schwartz defines it (1️⃣1️⃣ = https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115442517599396478😞
        ❝
        Antisemitism is a form of racism against Jewish people, and it is about hatred and of Jewish people as Jews. But criticism of Israel must be distinguished from this.
        ❞

        From that POV, indeed Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Geert Wilders (+ many other non-Jews) are Zionists (brown intersection).

        According to the CORRECT definition of AntiSemitism, Jews cannot be AntiSemites themselves. That's why the opaque red area does not intersect with Jews.

        Any diversion of Sarah's definition renders the word AntiSemitism *pointless*.

        Rule of thumb: if the hatred ALSO applies to Jewish toddlers and younger, it's AntiSemitism.

        The IHRA definition was invented by Zionists to cover their asses. We must ditch it today.

        Read about Dani Dayan (horror-settler and IHRA chair, among other Zionist stuff) in https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115366940876615051.

        I'm interested to hear whether you agree with my explanation!

        Best regards,
        Erik

        #AntiSemitism #DefinitionOfAntiSemitism #IHRAsucks #DaniDayanToICC #FrancescaAlbaneseIsRight

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        • erikvanstraten@todon.nlE erikvanstraten@todon.nl

          @pelle : green is Jews (Joden), light-red are non-Jews (niet-Joden).

          What I'm trying to explain is AntiSemitism as I defined it (the type that led to the indiscriminate murder of 6M Jews during WWII - only because they were Jews).

          It is also how Sarah Schwartz defines it (1️⃣1️⃣ = https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115442517599396478😞
          ❝
          Antisemitism is a form of racism against Jewish people, and it is about hatred and of Jewish people as Jews. But criticism of Israel must be distinguished from this.
          ❞

          From that POV, indeed Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Geert Wilders (+ many other non-Jews) are Zionists (brown intersection).

          According to the CORRECT definition of AntiSemitism, Jews cannot be AntiSemites themselves. That's why the opaque red area does not intersect with Jews.

          Any diversion of Sarah's definition renders the word AntiSemitism *pointless*.

          Rule of thumb: if the hatred ALSO applies to Jewish toddlers and younger, it's AntiSemitism.

          The IHRA definition was invented by Zionists to cover their asses. We must ditch it today.

          Read about Dani Dayan (horror-settler and IHRA chair, among other Zionist stuff) in https://todon.nl/@ErikvanStraten/115366940876615051.

          I'm interested to hear whether you agree with my explanation!

          Best regards,
          Erik

          #AntiSemitism #DefinitionOfAntiSemitism #IHRAsucks #DaniDayanToICC #FrancescaAlbaneseIsRight

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          #4

          @ErikvanStraten

          hi erik,

          respectfully, i disagree: i do think jews can be antisemitic.

          i am not talking about when jews criticize 'israel' which is a nonsense conflation because antizionism ≠ antisemitism.

          i am talking about when zionists use straight up antisemitic slurs against diaspora jews, like "kapo".

          or like this quote by avigail abarbanel:
          »The Jews who died in the holocaust were weak. They went 'like sheep to the slaughter'. Israel's role is to create a powerful 'new Jew' who will never again be a victim.«

          is that one not antisemitic?

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            @ErikvanStraten

            hi erik,

            respectfully, i disagree: i do think jews can be antisemitic.

            i am not talking about when jews criticize 'israel' which is a nonsense conflation because antizionism ≠ antisemitism.

            i am talking about when zionists use straight up antisemitic slurs against diaspora jews, like "kapo".

            or like this quote by avigail abarbanel:
            »The Jews who died in the holocaust were weak. They went 'like sheep to the slaughter'. Israel's role is to create a powerful 'new Jew' who will never again be a victim.«

            is that one not antisemitic?

            erikvanstraten@todon.nlE This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @pelle wrote:
            ❝
            i am talking about when zionists use straight up antisemitic slurs against diaspora jews, like "kapo".

            or like this quote by avigail abarbanel:
            »The Jews who died in the holocaust were weak. They went 'like sheep to the slaughter'. Israel's role is to create a powerful 'new Jew' who will never again be a victim.«

            is that one not antisemitic?"
            ❞

            No, it is not AntiSemitism. And it is not Racism either.

            It is judging people based on their APPARENT BEHAVIOUR and/or OUTSPOKEN OPINION - not on who their parents were, nor on skin-colour etcetera.

            Accusing/attacking someone for what they happen to be: RACISM

            Accusing/attacking someone for what they say or do: NOT RACISM

            Keep it simple.

            #Racism #AntiSemitism #DefinitionOfAntisemitism #IHRAsucks #FrancescaAlbaneseIsRight #SarahSchwartzIsRight #KISS

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            • erikvanstraten@todon.nlE erikvanstraten@todon.nl

              @pelle wrote:
              ❝
              i am talking about when zionists use straight up antisemitic slurs against diaspora jews, like "kapo".

              or like this quote by avigail abarbanel:
              »The Jews who died in the holocaust were weak. They went 'like sheep to the slaughter'. Israel's role is to create a powerful 'new Jew' who will never again be a victim.«

              is that one not antisemitic?"
              ❞

              No, it is not AntiSemitism. And it is not Racism either.

              It is judging people based on their APPARENT BEHAVIOUR and/or OUTSPOKEN OPINION - not on who their parents were, nor on skin-colour etcetera.

              Accusing/attacking someone for what they happen to be: RACISM

              Accusing/attacking someone for what they say or do: NOT RACISM

              Keep it simple.

              #Racism #AntiSemitism #DefinitionOfAntisemitism #IHRAsucks #FrancescaAlbaneseIsRight #SarahSchwartzIsRight #KISS

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              #6

              @ErikvanStraten
              > Accusing/attacking someone for what they happen to be: RACISM
              > Accusing/attacking someone for what they say or do: NOT RACISM

              that definition means that a statement like this

              »We shall exterminate the Jews. The Jews will not get away with their responsibility for November 9, 1918 – this day will be avenged.«

              by adolf hitler is also "NOT RACISM," because it is about what the jews (allegedly) did, about their "APPARENT BEHAVIOUR", just like the previous one by avigail abarbanel was about what the jews (allegedly) did.

              i don't think we can just assume all racism comes in some clearly defined form.

              on top of that, sometimes the distinction between action and identity is blurry or meaningless: if i eat olives, do i "happen to be" an olive eater, or is the eating of olives "what i do" ?

              then suddenly it can be "NOT RACISM" when zionists want to kill everyone who lives in gaza, because living in gaza is "something you do."

              my point is this: please don't give zionist jews a free pass for using antisemitic slurs like "kapo" against diaspora jews.

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