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  3. finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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  • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

    finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

    nicksilkey@hachyderm.ioN This user is from outside of this forum
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    #28

    @loriemerson amazing - I tracked down the source. Thanks for this! 🙇‍♀️✌️💙

    Why I Am Not Going to Buy a Computer
    Wendell Berry
    New England Review and Bread Loaf Quarterly
    Vol. 10, No. 1 (Autumn, 1987), pp. 112-113 (2 pages)
    Published By: Middlebury College Publications

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/40241890

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    • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

      finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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      #29

      @loriemerson yeah that’s a fantasy list that doesn’t exist anymore lol

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      • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

        finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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        #30

        @loriemerson wow, current vibe-coded software tools fail almost every one of these standards.

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        • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

          finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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          #31

          @loriemerson

          I like to go to original sources, so here's a link via @Kottke.org...

          https://classes.matthewjbrown.net/teaching-files/philtech/berry-computer.pdf

          https://kottke.org/25/05/nine-rules-for-evaluating-new-technology

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          • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

            @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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            #32

            @aakoskin @loriemerson

            "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

            For a simple list like the above. I agree.

            I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

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            • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

              @aakoskin @loriemerson

              "Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text."

              For a simple list like the above. I agree.

              I suspect that there is a "plain text penalty" for words/ideas without imagery in social media, but I'm not up on the trends, rules, or research in that domain.

              lxskllr@mastodon.worldL This user is from outside of this forum
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              #33

              @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

              Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

              loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL nickrauchen@c.imN 2 Replies Last reply
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              • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                #34

                @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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                • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                  @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                  Might run out of characters. Default mastodon limit is 500. I've done text images to get around the limit.

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                  #35

                  @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                  I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

                  Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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                  • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                    @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                    I think the char limit varies on #Mastodon depending on server, client, etc.

                    Something textual that is "long form" can be threaded, yes?

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                    #36

                    @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                    It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.

                    I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D

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                    • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                      @lxskllr @nickrauchen @aakoskin I am having trouble wrapping my head why the format of my post is worth anyone commenting on - the text is in the image. it's not elegant but I wanted to give a screenshot of the exact text I was reading from Harper's. surely there are more important things to discuss here, and in general, than policing precisely how people post

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                      #37

                      @loriemerson @lxskllr @aakoskin

                      Speaking as a reader of your post, I'd rather have the text than a picture of the text. In this case I think all/most of the content was in the alt text, which is good but may be hidden for some (depends on the UI).

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                      • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                        @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                        It can, but threaded posts are kind of annoying imo. Sometimes it's better to have everything in one view.

                        I say that someone who does a minimum of one threaded post every day :^D

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                        #38

                        @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                        Threading in #Mastodon is pretty clunky I agree. I can't remember much about it, but in old-school #twitter there was an obvious "Continue" or "Next" button for threading. The server I'm currently on has a much larger char limit so it has not been an issue. The main reason I thread anything is for topics like travel logs that unfold over time.

                        Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise. An ideal I am sometimes not able to achieve even with good intentions. 🙂

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                        • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                          finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                          #39

                          @loriemerson the Wendellian laws should be international law

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                          • nickrauchen@c.imN nickrauchen@c.im

                            @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                            Threading in #Mastodon is pretty clunky I agree. I can't remember much about it, but in old-school #twitter there was an obvious "Continue" or "Next" button for threading. The server I'm currently on has a much larger char limit so it has not been an issue. The main reason I thread anything is for topics like travel logs that unfold over time.

                            Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise. An ideal I am sometimes not able to achieve even with good intentions. 🙂

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                            #40

                            @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                            "Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise"

                            That's what I like about my low character limit. It enforces brevity. It's also what I don't like about it. Double edged sword. Trying to work with limited resources is a good exercise, even if they can't always be adhered to 100%.

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                            • loriemerson@post.lurk.orgL loriemerson@post.lurk.org

                              finally, Wendell Berry's standards for technological innovation--truly as relevant now as they were in 1987 #othernetworks

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                              #41

                              @loriemerson Reading this makes me regret leaving behind my vintage copy of "The Unsettling of America" when I had to move. Berry is wonderful.

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                              • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                                @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                                #42

                                @aakoskin 👎

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                                • lxskllr@mastodon.worldL lxskllr@mastodon.world

                                  @nickrauchen @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                  "Then there's just being kind to your readers... keep things simple, short, and concise"

                                  That's what I like about my low character limit. It enforces brevity. It's also what I don't like about it. Double edged sword. Trying to work with limited resources is a good exercise, even if they can't always be adhered to 100%.

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                                  #43

                                  @lxskllr @aakoskin @loriemerson

                                  I've always liked this #quote from William J. Mayo (one of the founders of the Mayo clinic)...

                                  "Begin with an arresting sentence; close with a strong summary; in between speak simply, clearly, and always to the point; and above all be brief."

                                  #Quotes #Writing

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                                  • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                                    @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                                    #44

                                    @aakoskin @loriemerson Have you always been a Karen or did you choose it as a career?

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                                    • msbellows@c.imM msbellows@c.im

                                      @aakoskin @loriemerson Have you always been a Karen or did you choose it as a career?

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                                      #45

                                      @aakoskin @loriemerson
                                      P.S.:

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                                      • aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.orgA aakoskin@bitwoods.duckdns.org

                                        @loriemerson 10. Never post an image/screenshot if you can type the same in plain text.

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                                        #46

                                        @aakoskin

                                        how about never tell a media studies scholar how to represent a text

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                                        • pavelasamsonov@mastodon.socialP pavelasamsonov@mastodon.social

                                          @loriemerson I love the idea of the body's energy being solar energy

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                                          #47

                                          @PavelASamsonov @loriemerson Right? I adore that too. Wendell Berry is a small farmer who raises some meat animals, which he pastures in the places that would erode if they were plowed. I saw him speak in Portland 30 years ago and he explained that meat farmer this way, unlike factory farms, is not inherently bad because it is another efficient way of extracting solar energy.

                                          I love Wendell Berry.

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