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  • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

    "when did Star Trek get woke??"

    In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

    In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

    In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

    Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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    #42

    @Lana Wait until you gear about Rage against the machine! They've gone POLITICAL too! Can you believe it?!

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    • wintermane@dice.campW wintermane@dice.camp

      @CaseyL @Lana @roknrol

      Apparently Nimoy/Spock was a huge hit with American housewives.

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      #43

      @Wintermane @Lana @roknrol

      In one of his Star Trek books, about working with the show, Gerrold talks about the fan mail Nimoy got (and that Mark Lenard also got, after playing Sarek). Very steamy, and sometimes pretty explicit!

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      • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

        "when did Star Trek get woke??"

        In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

        In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

        In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

        Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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        #44

        @Lana
        This is why I prefer Star Trek SO much over Star Wars.

        (Yes, the light sabres and Jedi powers are cool. But at the bottom line it's just Jung/Campbells Hero's Journey over and over again.)

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        • cjust@infosec.exchangeC cjust@infosec.exchange

          @Lana

          a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps

          I think that one thing missing from this commentary is: yes, this is shortly after the Japanese internment camps.

          With the character portrayed by an actor who was actually detained in one of these camps!

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          #45

          @cjust @Lana -> and he still is very 🌈 @georgetakei

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          • treevor@dice.campT treevor@dice.camp

            @Lana Yep, Star Trek was always supposed to be woke. It hasn't always succeeded at being woke, and has regularly failed to be as woke as many people would like, but being woke has always been the point.

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            #46

            @TreeVor Well, back in those days they still had to learn a lot about that concept but clearly you can see, that they were willing to go the extra mile and learn.

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            • caseyl@mastodon.nzC caseyl@mastodon.nz

              @Wintermane @Lana @roknrol

              In one of his Star Trek books, about working with the show, Gerrold talks about the fan mail Nimoy got (and that Mark Lenard also got, after playing Sarek). Very steamy, and sometimes pretty explicit!

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              #47

              @CaseyL @Lana @roknrol
              Aye, that's what I mean. I saw it in an interview at one point.

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              • Y ysotomayor@mastodon.social

                @Lana Mildly annoyed you missed my favorite series, Voyager. Back to your point though. Yup, no notes. Star Trek has always, and I hope it continues to be, woke as shit! I hope the fiends at Paramount don't ruin it.

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                #48

                @ysotomayor @Lana Character limits exist! XD

                But absolutely, it came out swinging with Janeway and the first thing she did was make Maquis fighters key members of her crew, one of which was a Hispanic half-Klingon. They also had a Black Vulcan (ironically, not his first time playing one, but canonically a different character), a disgraced pilot, and a virtual doctor who very much wanted to be turned off when not in use at first. The whole premise of the show started with "get along or else."

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                • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                  "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                  In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                  In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                  In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                  Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                  #49

                  @Lana

                  “Don’t grow up to be the person the hero would punch in the face.”

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                  • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                    "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                    In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                    In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                    In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                    Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                    #50

                    @Lana

                    Star Trek doesn't seem all that woke anymore.

                    I miss Captain Sisko.

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                    • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                      "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                      In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                      In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                      In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                      Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                      #51

                      @Lana my gay ass growing up: heck yeah 🖖

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                      • cjust@infosec.exchangeC cjust@infosec.exchange

                        @Lana

                        a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps

                        I think that one thing missing from this commentary is: yes, this is shortly after the Japanese internment camps.

                        With the character portrayed by an actor who was actually detained in one of these camps!

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                        #52

                        @cjust @Lana

                        Came here to say that.

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                        • 47363@norden.social4 47363@norden.social

                          @Lana

                          Sorry to ask, but what is a "shirt skirt"?
                          A typo, or is/was it a thing?

                          (Stoopid forrinner here, my dictionary doesn't help, i and o sit next to each other on the keyboard, but maybe it's just something I haven't come across yet… 🫣 😟)

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                          #53

                          @47363 @Lana

                          Technically, they are mini-dresses, not skirts.

                          But then, the Star Trek art department actually calls them "skants" -- at least for the Next Generation (which also has men wearing them, at least in the 1st season, on extras in the background). Pretty sure they made this name up, as I haven't heard it anywhere else. But that makes it very specific, so that's cool.

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                          • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                            "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                            In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                            In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                            In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                            Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                            #54

                            @Lana Pithy comebacks aside, I always just love reading these synopses of Star Trek because they make me so happy. I love what Star Trek was and what it stood for.

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                            • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                              "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                              In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                              In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                              In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                              Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                              #55

                              @Lana wish it still was "woke" the newer shows are more conservative and more pro war and imperialism then the 90's shows by far its not close

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                              • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                                "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                                In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                                In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                                In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                                Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                                #56

                                @Lana #StarTrek TOS was also first *scripted* interracial kiss on Television when Kirk kissed Uhura. They also shot the scene without it in case, but managed to push it through. It was truly pushing the boundaries of the time.

                                "woke" is a MAGA culture war term to denote respect of human rights and education. It is astounding that the USA was brainwashed into thinking woke was bad.

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                                • 47363@norden.social4 47363@norden.social

                                  @Lana

                                  Sorry to ask, but what is a "shirt skirt"?
                                  A typo, or is/was it a thing?

                                  (Stoopid forrinner here, my dictionary doesn't help, i and o sit next to each other on the keyboard, but maybe it's just something I haven't come across yet… 🫣 😟)

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                                  #57

                                  @47363 typo. I meant short skirt.

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                                  • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                                    "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                                    In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                                    In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                                    In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                                    Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                                    #58

                                    @Lana yes; love it

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                                    • savanni@hachyderm.ioS savanni@hachyderm.io

                                      @Lana what is the foundation of queer coding? If I went back to watch that first episode, what would I be looking for?

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                                      #59

                                      @savanni Sulu. Just...all of Sulu.

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                                      • lana@beige.partyL lana@beige.party

                                        "when did Star Trek get woke??"

                                        In the very first episode of Star Trek: the original series, we see a white Captain reporting to his black Admiral boss, a black woman on the bridge just a couple years after Jim Crow was abolished, wearing a short skirt (a symbol of feminist liberation at the time), a Japanese helmsman on the bridge only 20 years after the internment camps, a Russian crewmate on the bridge during the Cold War [edit: actually did not appear until Season 2 but the point stands], and the foundation of the modern concept of queercoding.

                                        In the very first episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, we see male crossdressing crew members, a female officer on the bridge in charge of security, a literal ship's counselor stationed at all times on the bridge, a single mom raising her teenage son on her own while juggling a full career in medicine, a blind mechanic whose "disability" is shown to be a strength, and an angry, all-powerful godlike being who is revealed to be simply a petulant child masquerading as a deity.

                                        In the very first episode of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, we see a black man gain a powerful command position, respect the hell out of the customs of a religion he didn't understand, show respect and equal treatment to members of three other alien races he didn't understand, appoint a female guerilla fighter who defeated imperialist fascists to a position of authority within his administration and defer to her judgement in areas of her expertise, accept his friend's gender change, and tell his son he loves him.

                                        Star Trek has always been woke. You just grew up to be a bad person.

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                                        #60

                                        @Lana

                                        Star Trek episodes are morality plays

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                                        • mrencyclopedia@retro.pizzaM mrencyclopedia@retro.pizza

                                          @47363 @Lana I suspect it's a typo for "short skirt" but yeah it can be a shirt skirt too

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                                          @mrencyclopedia @47363 @Lana The official term for them in show canon is "skant"

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