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  • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

    Linux on arm Mac is 'fun'. The default Fedora is working okay now, but it's pro-AI. What do I do then? 🤔 Chimera and Elementary failed to boot and one of them might have even corrupted my existing Linux install somehow. I know Gentoo should be supported, but I've heard mixed opinions about it. OpenBSD should work, but apparently it won't be able to play videos smoothly due to the lack of hardware video acceleration, which is kind of sad...

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    @nina_kali_nina no fan of debian ?

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    • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

      Linux on arm Mac is 'fun'. The default Fedora is working okay now, but it's pro-AI. What do I do then? 🤔 Chimera and Elementary failed to boot and one of them might have even corrupted my existing Linux install somehow. I know Gentoo should be supported, but I've heard mixed opinions about it. OpenBSD should work, but apparently it won't be able to play videos smoothly due to the lack of hardware video acceleration, which is kind of sad...

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      #9

      @nina_kali_nina did you try Asahi Linux?

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      • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

        Linux on arm Mac is 'fun'. The default Fedora is working okay now, but it's pro-AI. What do I do then? 🤔 Chimera and Elementary failed to boot and one of them might have even corrupted my existing Linux install somehow. I know Gentoo should be supported, but I've heard mixed opinions about it. OpenBSD should work, but apparently it won't be able to play videos smoothly due to the lack of hardware video acceleration, which is kind of sad...

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        #10

        @nina_kali_nina if you have time to spare Gentoo is really a fine distro. You'll have to spend some time and effort installing it, but you'll get all that time back in the following years as it's a breeze to keep up-to-date and its flexibility allows you to change it at your will while without having to reinstall

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        • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

          Linux on arm Mac is 'fun'. The default Fedora is working okay now, but it's pro-AI. What do I do then? 🤔 Chimera and Elementary failed to boot and one of them might have even corrupted my existing Linux install somehow. I know Gentoo should be supported, but I've heard mixed opinions about it. OpenBSD should work, but apparently it won't be able to play videos smoothly due to the lack of hardware video acceleration, which is kind of sad...

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          @nina_kali_nina How is fedora pro-AI?

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          • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

            Linux on arm Mac is 'fun'. The default Fedora is working okay now, but it's pro-AI. What do I do then? 🤔 Chimera and Elementary failed to boot and one of them might have even corrupted my existing Linux install somehow. I know Gentoo should be supported, but I've heard mixed opinions about it. OpenBSD should work, but apparently it won't be able to play videos smoothly due to the lack of hardware video acceleration, which is kind of sad...

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            @nina_kali_nina NetBSD apparently bans LLM output, and version 11 is nigh.

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            • bthylafh@nerdculture.deB bthylafh@nerdculture.de

              @nina_kali_nina NetBSD apparently bans LLM output, and version 11 is nigh.

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              #13

              @bthylafh It looks like Apple Silicon is only supported minimally - e.g. no wifi, maybe not even keyboard or trackpad :<

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              • petko@social.petko.meP petko@social.petko.me

                @nina_kali_nina wait... wasn't the default Linux on Arm mac arch btw?

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                @petko it was, long time ago. It's been Fedora for a couple of years now, I think

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                • petko@social.petko.meP petko@social.petko.me

                  @nina_kali_nina also did you decide to move on from macos because of the vista-inspured UI?

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                  #15

                  @petko Tahoe is painful to look at, it's full of "Apple Intelligence" stuff (that for now can be disabled, but newer versions might not have the knob for it), newer OS will drop the support for Rosetta 2 that I quite like, and eventually they'll drop the support for the device itself. So I thought I should prepare to be moving off the MacOS, as I don't plan to get a new Apple computer in the future.

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                  • rudi@tech.lgbtR rudi@tech.lgbt

                    @nina_kali_nina looks like more than i thought is working well actually, i just had to find my way to the wiki page for the generic aarch64 mac support: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Apple_M-series_Macs_(apple-mac-aarch64)

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                    #16

                    @rudi it sounds a bit complicated... I don't want to break an existing OS by mistyping a command or something. :<

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                    • otyugh@pouet.chapril.orgO otyugh@pouet.chapril.org

                      @nina_kali_nina no fan of debian ?

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                      @otyugh well, I'll have to stay on pre-AI debian :3 It's kind of iffy to have python3-llm-anthropic and such in the main repo

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                      • ssekret@infosec.exchangeS ssekret@infosec.exchange

                        @nina_kali_nina did you try Asahi Linux?

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                        @ssekret Asahi Linux _is_ Fedora Remix

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                        • gabrielesvelto@mas.toG gabrielesvelto@mas.to

                          @nina_kali_nina if you have time to spare Gentoo is really a fine distro. You'll have to spend some time and effort installing it, but you'll get all that time back in the following years as it's a breeze to keep up-to-date and its flexibility allows you to change it at your will while without having to reinstall

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                          @gabrielesvelto I wonder what the community is like 🤔

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                            @nina_kali_nina How is fedora pro-AI?

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                            @tarxz they explicitly allow AI contributions (as long as they're marked as such): https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/542

                            Though it is an increasingly common stance, unfortunately.

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                            • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                              Linux on arm Mac is 'fun'. The default Fedora is working okay now, but it's pro-AI. What do I do then? 🤔 Chimera and Elementary failed to boot and one of them might have even corrupted my existing Linux install somehow. I know Gentoo should be supported, but I've heard mixed opinions about it. OpenBSD should work, but apparently it won't be able to play videos smoothly due to the lack of hardware video acceleration, which is kind of sad...

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                              @nina_kali_nina Void?

                              https://docs.voidlinux.org/installation/guides/arm-devices/apple-silicon.html

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                              • speaktrap@mastodon.com.plS speaktrap@mastodon.com.pl

                                @nina_kali_nina Void?

                                https://docs.voidlinux.org/installation/guides/arm-devices/apple-silicon.html

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                                @speaktrap they don't have a strong stance on LLM usage, it seems. 🤔

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                                • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                                  @tarxz they explicitly allow AI contributions (as long as they're marked as such): https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/542

                                  Though it is an increasingly common stance, unfortunately.

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                                  @nina_kali_nina Feels like that'll end up being the stance of most projects unless there are legal/licensing consequences 😞

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                                  • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                                    @bthylafh It looks like Apple Silicon is only supported minimally - e.g. no wifi, maybe not even keyboard or trackpad :<

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                                    @nina_kali_nina @bthylafh IIRC, the Asahi graphics drivers are written in rust, which means they aren't showing up in any of the BSDs any time soon. NetBSD, in particular, supports architectures that rust likely never will. This also M1 support is likely to remain minimal for quite a while.

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                                    • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                                      @gabrielesvelto I wonder what the community is like 🤔

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                                      @nina_kali_nina Gentoo user here, the community is pretty chill and helpful. Not what you find in Arch communities, for example. Every time I had an issue and asked on IRC, they never questioned/judged me, just helped me straight away.

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                                      • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                                        @otyugh well, I'll have to stay on pre-AI debian :3 It's kind of iffy to have python3-llm-anthropic and such in the main repo

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                                        @nina_kali_nina Damn. I read it from you and forgot >_<

                                        They seem to still fidget around not doing anything decisive : https://lwn.net/Articles/972331/

                                        Darn. Wakey wakey 😞

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                                        • nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbtN nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt

                                          @gabrielesvelto I wonder what the community is like 🤔

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                                          @nina_kali_nina the forums used to be very helpful, but I haven't used them in years because I know how to handle my system. I mostly used the docs/wiki. They have a strong stance against slop generators which is good, as well as a CoC tough it's probably a bit lighter than I'd like (e.g. it's not explicitly calling out a number of behaviors I consider unacceptable):

                                          https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Code_of_conduct

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