Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries.
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@mhoye I’m wondering if it would be possible create a protocol similar to passkeys, where the device verifies my identity but only exposes my DOB to a service?
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@thesquirrelfish @mhoye Age verification is not a fix, but ignoring the problem isn't a fix either. People are addicted to social media and fighting to keep it, no matter who is dead.
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Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. There’s no “age verifcation”, there is only “identity verification that includes age”, and the system doing that verification is not just a privacy-invasive user tracking system but a remotely controlled off switch for anyone of any age.
@mhoye I call it "age discrimination" because it is.
The nominal point is to age discriminate. (The actual point is to prevent anti-ice protests from organizing anonymously on signal next time.)
There's no "verification" in Gavin Newsom's bill, it's attestation like the "are you 18 y/n" clickthroughs sites have had since fosta/sesta under the first trump administration. The point is to mandate something you can then tie to palantir/clear/persona and your platform's TPM/SMM.
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@thesquirrelfish @mhoye Age verification is not a fix, but ignoring the problem isn't a fix either. People are addicted to social media and fighting to keep it, no matter who is dead.
@JoeHenzi @thesquirrelfish "Age verification is not a fix, but ignoring the problem isn't a fix either, so we're going to verify age" is silly, and this whole exercise is an attempt _by social media companies_ to push the burden of responsibility for age verification - and the liability for failure - away from the people who _should_ be verifying the ages of their customers: those same social networks.
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@JoeHenzi @thesquirrelfish "Age verification is not a fix, but ignoring the problem isn't a fix either, so we're going to verify age" is silly, and this whole exercise is an attempt _by social media companies_ to push the burden of responsibility for age verification - and the liability for failure - away from the people who _should_ be verifying the ages of their customers: those same social networks.
@mhoye @thesquirrelfish sorry you're stuck in a loop - age verification is a red herring, you're going in circles on it
to the point, you're now saying social media companies should police themselves for some reason?
if there are products that are so harmful we need to protect people of certain ages then maybe, idk, we should get rid of those products
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@mhoye @thesquirrelfish sorry you're stuck in a loop - age verification is a red herring, you're going in circles on it
to the point, you're now saying social media companies should police themselves for some reason?
if there are products that are so harmful we need to protect people of certain ages then maybe, idk, we should get rid of those products
@JoeHenzi @thesquirrelfish bad news about how prohibition worked out, I guess.
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@JoeHenzi @thesquirrelfish bad news about how prohibition worked out, I guess.
@mhoye @thesquirrelfish sigh, you're right, we should do nothing even though we have this mountain of evidence, it's the same...
EDIT: Weird analogy, since you have to show ID to buy alcohol.
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Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. There’s no “age verifcation”, there is only “identity verification that includes age”, and the system doing that verification is not just a privacy-invasive user tracking system but a remotely controlled off switch for anyone of any age.
@mhoye
I'm reminded why old order Amish don't use electricity. It's not that they're inherently anti-tech. Its that electricity ties you to someone else - they have the remote off switch on your lights. -
Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. There’s no “age verifcation”, there is only “identity verification that includes age”, and the system doing that verification is not just a privacy-invasive user tracking system but a remotely controlled off switch for anyone of any age.
@mhoye social media desperately needs identity and age verification though. Government controlled (I trust my government to do this the right way)
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Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. There’s no “age verifcation”, there is only “identity verification that includes age”, and the system doing that verification is not just a privacy-invasive user tracking system but a remotely controlled off switch for anyone of any age.
@mhoye Let us say you are a parent and you think that having operating systems report the age of the user is a good idea. The browser connects to a social media site and it asks and the browser pulls the operating system and gets the age group and reports it to the social media site. Now the site only presents age-appropriate material, right? Except if there are predators on that site watching that flag: And what they have now is a clear and updated indicator for what accounts represent vulnerable young people who have not the knowledge to defend themselves. A victim list, if you will. /S isn't that a wonderful idea? S/..
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Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. There’s no “age verifcation”, there is only “identity verification that includes age”, and the system doing that verification is not just a privacy-invasive user tracking system but a remotely controlled off switch for anyone of any age.
<< There’s no “age verifcation”, there is only “identity verification that includes age” >>
Exactly.
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@thesquirrelfish @mhoye exactly - the algorithm is the problem - it was connecting pedophiles with kids to keep both parties on platform... that's criminal. Asking for ID doesn't do anything.
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@thesquirrelfish @mhoye we're all being abused - I'm super suspect of people out here defending these evil company's right to make money off us.
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Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. There’s no “age verifcation”, there is only “identity verification that includes age”, and the system doing that verification is not just a privacy-invasive user tracking system but a remotely controlled off switch for anyone of any age.
@mhoye So, where in all of this silliness, are the adults, who in theory, are taking responsibility for the accountability of their children?
Age verification is easy to defeat... false IDs, anyone? Verification will lead to a new, improved, false ID industry. And who will monitor the databases for accuracy? Will ICE pay you a visit to demand your „Papieren“?
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@Offbeatmammal @taatm @mhoye @Gargron I, personally, do not want any government or corporation to hold that kind of power over what I can do with my own computing devices.
@tedmielczarek @Offbeatmammal @taatm @mhoye @Gargron But I do want them accountable when they force it on me anyway.
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@mhoye @thesquirrelfish sorry you're stuck in a loop - age verification is a red herring, you're going in circles on it
to the point, you're now saying social media companies should police themselves for some reason?
if there are products that are so harmful we need to protect people of certain ages then maybe, idk, we should get rid of those products
@JoeHenzi @mhoye @thesquirrelfish
oh, so given the epstein class, age verification wpuld make it so much simpler to find all the youngsters they want to prey on.
great move. ...NOT
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@thesquirrelfish @JoeHenzi @mhoye
imho protection only works by building strong digital social support grounded in offline first and local next communities. Giving sole far away anonymous epstein class government all the data of the vulnerable will very much cause more harm and not more good.
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@JoeHenzi @mhoye @thesquirrelfish
oh, so given the epstein class, age verification wpuld make it so much simpler to find all the youngsters they want to prey on.
great move. ...NOT
@serapath @mhoye @thesquirrelfish I have never in my life asked for age verification, you're replying to me saying to stop bringing it up as a solution
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@thesquirrelfish @JoeHenzi @mhoye
imho protection only works by building strong digital social support grounded in offline first and local next communities. Giving sole far away anonymous epstein class government all the data of the vulnerable will very much cause more harm and not more good.
@serapath @thesquirrelfish @mhoye you've said "epstein class" twice now in unrelated ways - no one is pushing for giving any data away, you're not replying to us. It's not even sensical.
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@JoeHenzi @thesquirrelfish bad news about how prohibition worked out, I guess.
@mhoye @JoeHenzi @thesquirrelfish prohibition actually worked very well, alcoholism rates lowered substantially and never rose back up. the "prohibition didn't work" is propaganda by the alcohol industry not rooted in reality
