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  • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

    “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

    Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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    #5

    @stux there is power in self reliance

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    • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

      @stux Boy, does this ever reflect how little these people know about actual humans. The skill of memorisation is one that we use our entire lives, and develops a brain with more capacity and better recall. What you're actually memorising doesn't matter. It's the skill of doing it that matters.

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      #6

      @Remittancegirl @stux oh yes; I once complained as a student that they're teaching us things that were obsolete already or would become obsolete soon. I remember my later boss answering: "It's not important what you chew; the important thing is the training of your jaws…"

      remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA 2 Replies Last reply
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      • blotosmetek@circumstances.runB blotosmetek@circumstances.run

        @Remittancegirl @stux oh yes; I once complained as a student that they're teaching us things that were obsolete already or would become obsolete soon. I remember my later boss answering: "It's not important what you chew; the important thing is the training of your jaws…"

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        #7

        @blotosmetek @stux This. Having been a lecturer at a university, I can say without question - it is not what information is retained that matters, but that it is retained, so it can be applied critically to decision-making.

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        • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

          “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

          Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

          lanodan@queer.hacktivis.meL This user is from outside of this forum
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          #8
          @stux Or teaching math that pocket calculators have been able to do since the ~80's
          darkling@mstdn.socialD ozzelot@mstdn.socialO lisp1984@mastodon.socialL 3 Replies Last reply
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          • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

            “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

            Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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            #9

            @stux We are already starting to get people who cannot think without a stable internet connection 🤔

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            • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

              “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

              Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

              landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL This user is from outside of this forum
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              #10

              @stux s/ChatGPT/Wikipedia/, this didn't start today 🙂

              stux@mstdn.socialS gbargoud@masto.nycG dalias@hachyderm.ioD 3 Replies Last reply
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              • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                @stux s/ChatGPT/Wikipedia/, this didn't start today 🙂

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                #11

                @landelare No but it’s getting a lot worse 😉 rapidly

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                • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  @stux s/ChatGPT/Wikipedia/, this didn't start today 🙂

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                  #12

                  @landelare @stux

                  Ironically previous fact storage methods were significantly more reliable than chatgpt.

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                  • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                    @stux Boy, does this ever reflect how little these people know about actual humans. The skill of memorisation is one that we use our entire lives, and develops a brain with more capacity and better recall. What you're actually memorising doesn't matter. It's the skill of doing it that matters.

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                    #13

                    @Remittancegirl @stux like it more when it is combined with critical thinking, the two together are superb

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                    • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                      “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                      Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                      #14

                      @stux people who think school is just about memorising a long list of facts missed the whole point of school

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                      • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                        “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                        Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                        #15

                        @stux

                        Contrary to traditionalists' claims, rote memorization does not "train" the brain in a useful way that transfers. In fact, it can detract from higher-order thinking, not to mention how it wastes limited instructional time. And much of what kids are forced to commit to memory in a bunch-o'-facts curriculum is soon forgotten: https://www.alfiekohn.org/blogs/fuhgeddaboudit/

                        Where A.I. does prove harmful is in bypassing thinking, reading, researching, and writing. That's where the gym-class analogy makes sense.

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                        • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                          “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                          Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                          #16

                          @stux 💕

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                          • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                            “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                            Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                            #17

                            @stux

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                            • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                              @stux s/ChatGPT/Wikipedia/, this didn't start today 🙂

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                              #18

                              @landelare @stux These are not at all the same.

                              Use of an encyclopedia is an incredibly valuable academic and personal learning skill. The trash talk about Wikipedia was all olds shitting on youngs under the belief that something hardbound and written by old white guys and full of their biases was more proper and authoritative, not about learning methodology.

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                              • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                                Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                                #19

                                @stux@mstdn.social

                                Idiocracy is here, now and thriving.
                                I pity the latest generations; we as a species are royally screwed.

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                                • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                  “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                                  Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                                  @stux

                                  Very apt analogy!

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                                  • lanodan@queer.hacktivis.meL lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
                                    @stux Or teaching math that pocket calculators have been able to do since the ~80's
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                                    #21

                                    @lanodan @stux I still practice mental arithmetic. On occasion, I get to show off in public.

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                                    • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                      “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                                      Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                                      #22

                                      @stux yeah we should give them practical skills that AI won't be able to do, like using their tiny fingers to polish the inside of shell casings

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                                      • lanodan@queer.hacktivis.meL lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
                                        @stux Or teaching math that pocket calculators have been able to do since the ~80's
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                                        #23

                                        @lanodan
                                        such teachings go well into universities! where will it stop! /s

                                        (okay, not sure about 80s calculators, but the TI-92... What a beast.)
                                        @stux

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                                        • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                          “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                                          Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                                          #24

                                          @stux *might or might not correctly retrieve*

                                          Also we were given exams which forced us to work things out and show the workings. A right answer was a tiny part of the mark. We were allowed to bring cheat sheets even, because we can always look things up IRL but we still would have to know how to use the values and formulas.

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