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  • stux@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

    Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

    remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR mrjre@mastodon.socialM lanodan@queer.hacktivis.meL andycarolan@social.lolA landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL 47 Replies Last reply
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      “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

      Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

      remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @stux Boy, does this ever reflect how little these people know about actual humans. The skill of memorisation is one that we use our entire lives, and develops a brain with more capacity and better recall. What you're actually memorising doesn't matter. It's the skill of doing it that matters.

      stux@mstdn.socialS remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR blotosmetek@circumstances.runB julesbl@mastodon.me.ukJ ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA 8 Replies Last reply
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      • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

        @stux Boy, does this ever reflect how little these people know about actual humans. The skill of memorisation is one that we use our entire lives, and develops a brain with more capacity and better recall. What you're actually memorising doesn't matter. It's the skill of doing it that matters.

        stux@mstdn.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @Remittancegirl Oh yeah! Facts and such are so important

        Basic knowledge

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        • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

          @stux Boy, does this ever reflect how little these people know about actual humans. The skill of memorisation is one that we use our entire lives, and develops a brain with more capacity and better recall. What you're actually memorising doesn't matter. It's the skill of doing it that matters.

          remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @stux Actually, more than knowing facts it is the ability to maintain more than a single idea in the brain at once.

          It is impossible to make informed choices if you cannot remember what the options are.

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          • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

            “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

            Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

            mrjre@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @stux there is power in self reliance

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            • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

              @stux Boy, does this ever reflect how little these people know about actual humans. The skill of memorisation is one that we use our entire lives, and develops a brain with more capacity and better recall. What you're actually memorising doesn't matter. It's the skill of doing it that matters.

              blotosmetek@circumstances.runB This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @Remittancegirl @stux oh yes; I once complained as a student that they're teaching us things that were obsolete already or would become obsolete soon. I remember my later boss answering: "It's not important what you chew; the important thing is the training of your jaws…"

              remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA 2 Replies Last reply
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              • blotosmetek@circumstances.runB blotosmetek@circumstances.run

                @Remittancegirl @stux oh yes; I once complained as a student that they're teaching us things that were obsolete already or would become obsolete soon. I remember my later boss answering: "It's not important what you chew; the important thing is the training of your jaws…"

                remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @blotosmetek @stux This. Having been a lecturer at a university, I can say without question - it is not what information is retained that matters, but that it is retained, so it can be applied critically to decision-making.

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                • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                  “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                  Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

                  lanodan@queer.hacktivis.meL This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8
                  @stux Or teaching math that pocket calculators have been able to do since the ~80's
                  darkling@mstdn.socialD ozzelot@mstdn.socialO lisp1984@mastodon.socialL 3 Replies Last reply
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                    “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                    Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

                    andycarolan@social.lolA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @stux We are already starting to get people who cannot think without a stable internet connection 🤔

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                    • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                      “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                      Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

                      landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @stux s/ChatGPT/Wikipedia/, this didn't start today 🙂

                      stux@mstdn.socialS gbargoud@masto.nycG dalias@hachyderm.ioD 3 Replies Last reply
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                      • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                        @stux s/ChatGPT/Wikipedia/, this didn't start today 🙂

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                        #11

                        @landelare No but it’s getting a lot worse 😉 rapidly

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                        • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                          @stux s/ChatGPT/Wikipedia/, this didn't start today 🙂

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                          #12

                          @landelare @stux

                          Ironically previous fact storage methods were significantly more reliable than chatgpt.

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                          • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                            @stux Boy, does this ever reflect how little these people know about actual humans. The skill of memorisation is one that we use our entire lives, and develops a brain with more capacity and better recall. What you're actually memorising doesn't matter. It's the skill of doing it that matters.

                            julesbl@mastodon.me.ukJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @Remittancegirl @stux like it more when it is combined with critical thinking, the two together are superb

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                            • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                              “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                              Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

                              asprinkleofsage@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @stux people who think school is just about memorising a long list of facts missed the whole point of school

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                              • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                                Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

                                alfiekohn@sciences.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @stux

                                Contrary to traditionalists' claims, rote memorization does not "train" the brain in a useful way that transfers. In fact, it can detract from higher-order thinking, not to mention how it wastes limited instructional time. And much of what kids are forced to commit to memory in a bunch-o'-facts curriculum is soon forgotten: https://www.alfiekohn.org/blogs/fuhgeddaboudit/

                                Where A.I. does prove harmful is in bypassing thinking, reading, researching, and writing. That's where the gym-class analogy makes sense.

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                                • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                  “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                                  Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

                                  honourfield@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @stux 💕

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                                  • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                    “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                                    Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

                                    dasgrueneblatt@wien.rocksD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @stux

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                                    • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                      @stux s/ChatGPT/Wikipedia/, this didn't start today 🙂

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                                      #18

                                      @landelare @stux These are not at all the same.

                                      Use of an encyclopedia is an incredibly valuable academic and personal learning skill. The trash talk about Wikipedia was all olds shitting on youngs under the belief that something hardbound and written by old white guys and full of their biases was more proper and authoritative, not about learning methodology.

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                                      • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                        “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                                        Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

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                                        #19

                                        @stux@mstdn.social

                                        Idiocracy is here, now and thriving.
                                        I pity the latest generations; we as a species are royally screwed.

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                                        • stux@mstdn.socialS stux@mstdn.social

                                          “We’re sending kids to school to memorize facts that ChatGPT can retrieve in under a second.”

                                          Yeah worst of all, gym classes are making them run a mile that Uber can cover in less than a minute

                                          jawarajabbi@mastodon.onlineJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #20

                                          @stux

                                          Very apt analogy!

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