This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why.
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@tante its like watching a bunch of 4 years olds competeing who can paint the most pictures with ctheir crayons. Only kids actually learn a lot from this.
@Nfoonf it's the future.
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This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.
"That’s where human in the loop setups come into play: What if the company can just hire one sucker to “check” all the “AI” slop and when things fall apart that one person has to take the blame. Fun!"
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This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.
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This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.
@tante
> (Sidenote: It should be the law that when you offer or run an “AI” you are 100% liable for everything it does. Sure, that would kill the whole industry but who gives a shit?)i give a shit. i want us, collectively, to deliberately end the entire gen-"a.i." industry. i want the data centers that were built for that purpose to be completely physically dismantled, and the CPUs & DRAM repurposed. i want charges to be brought against its leaders for a wide variety of damages.
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@tante
> (Sidenote: It should be the law that when you offer or run an “AI” you are 100% liable for everything it does. Sure, that would kill the whole industry but who gives a shit?)i give a shit. i want us, collectively, to deliberately end the entire gen-"a.i." industry. i want the data centers that were built for that purpose to be completely physically dismantled, and the CPUs & DRAM repurposed. i want charges to be brought against its leaders for a wide variety of damages.
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This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.
"There is zero artificial intelligence today. There could have been, but 50 years ago the decision was made by most scientists and companies to go with machine learning, which was quick and easy, instead of the difficult task of actually reverse engineering and then replicating the human brain.
So instead what we have today is machine learning combined with mass plagiarism which we call ‘generative AI’, essentially performing what is akin to a magic trick so that it appears, at times, to be intelligent.
While the topic of machine learning is complex in detail, it is simple in concept, which is all we have room for here. Essentially machine learning is simply presenting many thousands or millions of samples to a computer until the associative components ‘learn’ what it is, for example pictures of a daisy from all angles and incarnations.
Then companies scoured the internet in the greatest crime of mass plagiarism in history, and used the basic ability of machine learning to recognize nouns, verbs, etc. to chop up and recombine actual human writings and thoughts into ‘generative AI’.
So by recognizing basic grammar and hopefully deducing the basic ideas of a query, and then recombining human writings which appear to match that query, we get a very faulty appearance of intelligence - generative AI.
But the problem is, as I said in the beginning, there is no actual intelligence involved at all. These programs have no idea what a daisy, or love, or hate, or compassion, or a truck, or horse, or wagon, or anything else, actually is. They just have the ability to do a very faulty combinatorial trick to appear as if they do.
And while the human brain consumes around 20 watts, these massive pattern matching computers consume ever increasing billions.
However there is hope that actual general intelligence can be created because, thankfully, a handful of scientists rejected machine learning and instead have been working on recreating the connectome of the human brain for 50 years, and they are within a few decades of achieving that goal and truly replicating the human brain, creating true general intelligence.
In the meantime it's important for our species to recognize the danger of relying on generative AI for anything, as it's akin to relying on a magician to conjure up a real, physical, living, bunny rabbit.
So relying on it to drive cars, or control any critical systems, will always result in massive errors, often leading to real destruction and death."
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@tante but yeah, the fact the people aren't going to be able to trust FLOSS for the foreseeable future is... unimaginably bad.
it's like if scam health-food influencers took control of the CDC.
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This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.
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@mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen thank you so much!
@tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen here’s the blog from Scott https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/ mind blowing.
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@tante @mttaggart @stefan_hessbrueggen here’s the blog from Scott https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/ mind blowing.
@rotnroll666 The Kessler syndrome of the Internet.
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This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.
@tante "but at least as secure as commercial offerings now slowing going down the drain."
Shouldn't it be "slowly going down"?
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This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.
@tante
Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.What do you think?
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@tante
Someone called vibe coded software the "fast fashion of software development" and that is kinda a good summary to get the point across to people unfamiliar with the FOSS ecosystem.What do you think?
@agowa338 that might actually have been me
https://tante.cc/2026/01/15/software-as-fast-fashion/ -
@JamesWidman
We need to read Dune's works about the Butlerian Jihad. -
@agowa338 that might actually have been me
https://tante.cc/2026/01/15/software-as-fast-fashion/@tante
Oh, ok kinda liked that summary a bit more
Also regarding rejection of responsibility and care, I wonder how much longer that'll still be possible.
Esp. when things like the person asking in the company chat about the fire alarm being real got told by the chatbot it wasn't and that she doesn't have to leave get more widespread. Did you see that one? -
This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.
The sad thing is that "open-source" has always been that: a libertarian "do what you want I'm not responsible" ecosystem. Libre software at least tried to make it so that you must make it a collective thing, but still with very little needed coordination. Not surprising seeing where those 2, and computing in general comes from (white rich cishet men who never had any real issues in their life)
What we need is to uproot this foundation. Start from a collective mindset, build from communities where we all listen and take care of each other. Taken to the extreme open licenses are useless: it is better to have a closed-source system that your community controls (ie the community has full control over what the thing does, but outsider don't necessarily) than an open-source system that everyone must understand on their own, leading to in practice control only by those who build it. -
This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.
@tante very well said. His thirst for nazi-bar fame is apparent.
You didn’t even touch on the uselessness of the project: none of these incel-adjacent techbros need a (digital or not) assistant in their lives; they just want to feel important. Message “something” in their WhatsApp/telegram (not irc, jabber or matrix) instead of just opening their calendar app
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This whole "OpenClaw" thing has made me very angry and I wrote a bit about the why. It's not that "it's AI": It is the way that kind of project invalidates decades of work and care in free software. "AI" software isn't just careless, it is actively rejecting responsibility and care.
@tante "handing out running chainsaws to kids" that's exactly their way of responsibility.
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