Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype.
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Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.
@david_chisnall Sounds just like arguing for car crashes adding value to the economy, on the basis that they can bring in business for garages / car dealers.
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Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.
@david_chisnall@infosec.exchange commitment. Also a characteristic of spammers.
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@dysfun It was. Literally. The economy benefits because third-rate sales people are able to do more cold calling (meanwhile, the first-rate ones are building trust with their customers, who then buy more things from them, something LLMs do not help with at all).
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@david_chisnall Sounds just like arguing for car crashes adding value to the economy, on the basis that they can bring in business for garages / car dealers.
@miblo @david_chisnall Not to mention funeral homes.
Then there are venture capital funded care homes and companies providing support for the now disabled car drivers/passengers in their homes and modified cars for those with life changing injuries.
All these services being paid for by taxpayers thus increasing profit for the private companies involved by moving money that the government raises from its citizens into the pockets of speculators in the private sector.
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@miblo @david_chisnall Not to mention funeral homes.
Then there are venture capital funded care homes and companies providing support for the now disabled car drivers/passengers in their homes and modified cars for those with life changing injuries.
All these services being paid for by taxpayers thus increasing profit for the private companies involved by moving money that the government raises from its citizens into the pockets of speculators in the private sector.
@the_wub @david_chisnall Oh gosh, yeah! All the kind of activities a society'd go for if it only recognises one kind of value: monetary.
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Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.
@david_chisnall This has made something click in my head, it's always about the spam isn't it? Like, everyone stopped answering their landline because of it, then email spam became a solved problem so then we got social media spam instead which drove people away from social media. So now we've got content spam that didn't even get written by anyone.
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Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.
@david_chisnall serious ask: I've been trying to compile a list of use cases for which generative AI is a better or more viable alternative. The one example I can come up with is for visually impaired people to interact with pictures sent to them (asking questions about them) or with product at stores without having to wait for a human to be available. That's it. Do you know any others?
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@david_chisnall serious ask: I've been trying to compile a list of use cases for which generative AI is a better or more viable alternative. The one example I can come up with is for visually impaired people to interact with pictures sent to them (asking questions about them) or with product at stores without having to wait for a human to be available. That's it. Do you know any others?
@toldtheworld @david_chisnall I've heard it's an improvement on conventional speech-to-text. Anecdotal, but anecdotes from people with e.g. major motor disabilities who actually rely on voice typing as a tool.
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@david_chisnall serious ask: I've been trying to compile a list of use cases for which generative AI is a better or more viable alternative. The one example I can come up with is for visually impaired people to interact with pictures sent to them (asking questions about them) or with product at stores without having to wait for a human to be available. That's it. Do you know any others?
@toldtheworld @david_chisnall the visually-impaired people we've seen around here say that the slop descriptions are worse than nothing. all of this cheerleading about "good for people with disabilities" appears to come from tech weenies doing white-saviorism.
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Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.
@david_chisnall all we need now is someone to use an LLM to answer spam calls...
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@toldtheworld @david_chisnall I've heard it's an improvement on conventional speech-to-text. Anecdotal, but anecdotes from people with e.g. major motor disabilities who actually rely on voice typing as a tool.
@individeweal @toldtheworld @david_chisnall I couldn't quickly find it, but in last half week or so I saw about someone with specific accessibility needs around mobility having an LLM create a tool working how they needed it to, IIRC for navigating on computer.
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@david_chisnall serious ask: I've been trying to compile a list of use cases for which generative AI is a better or more viable alternative. The one example I can come up with is for visually impaired people to interact with pictures sent to them (asking questions about them) or with product at stores without having to wait for a human to be available. That's it. Do you know any others?
@toldtheworld @david_chisnall I do, as I've been asked to look into the slop machines at work -- and yes, I objected. But there's a use-case I've not seen mentioned and that's using the embeddings models to do semantic search.
SS isn't new, but doing it now is a matter of installing ollama, and postgres with pgvector, and getting on with it.
It doesn't solve the ethical issues, but it genuinely does work *if* you're willing to overlook that.
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@david_chisnall all we need now is someone to use an LLM to answer spam calls...
@stuartb @david_chisnall wasn't there someone using them to waste the time of scammers?
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@toldtheworld @david_chisnall the visually-impaired people we've seen around here say that the slop descriptions are worse than nothing. all of this cheerleading about "good for people with disabilities" appears to come from tech weenies doing white-saviorism.
@atax1a @david_chisnall I heard it from a blind person at a disability awareness center (Dialog im Dunkel)
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Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.
@david_chisnall @me_ “This thing where 90% of it shouldn’t be happening anyway? We can let you do so much more of it! Oh, but only the bad 90%.”
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@atax1a @david_chisnall I heard it from a blind person at a disability awareness center (Dialog im Dunkel)
@toldtheworld @david_chisnall ok, so you have one anecdote of one person getting one use out of it, whereas the rest of the world is drowning in slop.
i don't think this tech has any legitimate uses.
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Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.
@david_chisnall Ai making cold calls? I call it frozen calls. Never in a lifetime the get warm enough to be considered. Use of AI disqualifies them from the get go.
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Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.
Oh just wait. In no time at all boomers will be getting calls from ai-tom hanks and will all be up posting on FB abt how "Tom Hanks" *personally* is helping them do a reverse mortgage or some shit...
Never underestimate the gullibility of the herd.
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@the_wub @david_chisnall Oh gosh, yeah! All the kind of activities a society'd go for if it only recognises one kind of value: monetary.
@miblo @the_wub @david_chisnall
"Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.” -- Oscar Wilde, *The Picture of Dorian Gray*
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Wow, someone created a Mastodon account specifically to jump into a thread and disagree with me about 'AI' hype. His example of how LLMs are adding value to the economy? They make cold calling more efficient for salespeople. Yup, spam really is the most important use case for LLM fans.
@david_chisnall #Enshitification defined: Destroy the environment and run up everyone's utility bills so we can receive more spam.
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