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  3. Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

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  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

    Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

    If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

    https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

    #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

    themadhatter@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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    themadhatter@mastodon.social
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    #37

    @JulianOliver i have some unused. I'll let them point at A/AAAA you already mentioned. Do you need to know the exact domains?

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    • themadhatter@mastodon.socialT themadhatter@mastodon.social

      @JulianOliver i have some unused. I'll let them point at A/AAAA you already mentioned. Do you need to know the exact domains?

      julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #38

      @themadhatter Thank you! Yes knowing the domains would be needed. If you don't want the world to know they are yours, you can DM.

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      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

        @themadhatter Thank you! Yes knowing the domains would be needed. If you don't want the world to know they are yours, you can DM.

        themadhatter@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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        themadhatter@mastodon.social
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        #39

        @JulianOliver will send you a send you a DM when ready.

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        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

          Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

          If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

          https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

          #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

          korkeala@hachyderm.ioK This user is from outside of this forum
          korkeala@hachyderm.ioK This user is from outside of this forum
          korkeala@hachyderm.io
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          #40

          @JulianOliver I set one .fi domain for this which was unused I was supposed to delete it already.

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          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

            A bit over half a million page reads a day by crawlers rn. Just to say the server is doing some good work.

            julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            julianoliver@mastodon.social
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #41

            Thanks all for the fine domains! I've decided to spin up a new VM and do all the site configs and TLS chain for them at once - more efficient, less prone to error. I will get onto that on my tomorrow and report back here.

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            • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

              Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

              https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

              The page may grow a bit. Just wanted to get it out the door.

              #AI #bigtech

              mediengruppe_bitnik@tldr.nettime.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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              mediengruppe_bitnik@tldr.nettime.org
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              #42

              @JulianOliver also ❤ the web design. gotta serve the bots something nice.

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              • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                @mro

                How about 'carrot'?

                A: 95.216.76.85
                AAAA: 2a01:4f9:2b:c83::2

                Thanks a lot!

                mro@digitalcourage.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                #43

                Hi @JulianOliver,
                carrot.mro1.de and
                car.rot.mro1.de and
                ca.rr.ot.mro1.de

                The pleasure is all mine.

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                • mro@digitalcourage.socialM mro@digitalcourage.social

                  Hi @JulianOliver,
                  carrot.mro1.de and
                  car.rot.mro1.de and
                  ca.rr.ot.mro1.de

                  The pleasure is all mine.

                  julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  julianoliver@mastodon.social
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                  #44

                  @mro Amazing, thank you! I'll have an update tomorrow once all setup.

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                  • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                    Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

                    If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

                    https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

                    #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

                    perhammer@glasgow.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #45

                    @JulianOliver sign me up

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                    • korkeala@hachyderm.ioK korkeala@hachyderm.io

                      @JulianOliver I set one .fi domain for this which was unused I was supposed to delete it already.

                      julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #46

                      @korkeala Thank you! Please share via DM so I can add it to the list.

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                      • M monochrome@social.critica.li

                        @JulianOliver @narthur It seems to me that it would be fairly easy for them to consider that the content is junk and to treat accordingly everything coming from the same IPs. They probably keep a log of where the content used to train the LLMs is coming from (maybe with some kind of hash / pseudonymous maneer), and likely have ways to reject content from the same server IF they detect a problem from several domains linked to this server. IMO a bunch of reverse proxies / various IPs could help : they might be dumb and make it easy to polute their dataset, but probably aren't.

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                        #47

                        @monochrome @narthur

                        I am looking to populate the tarpit to other hosts, but for now the bots just keep chewing, and have been for days at one end-point.

                        I suspect there are so many crawlers spawned, and that they have so much in the way of resources at hand to do this scraping, that it is largely automated with little oversight.

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                        • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                          Thanks all for the fine domains! I've decided to spin up a new VM and do all the site configs and TLS chain for them at once - more efficient, less prone to error. I will get onto that on my tomorrow and report back here.

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                          #48

                          Thanks for all the domain donations, a beautiful thing!

                          Listed on the landing page:

                          https://scienceispoetry.net

                          And copied into this post:

                          https://carrot.mro1.de
                          https://car.rot.mro1.de
                          https://ca.rr.ot.mro1.de
                          https://sygrovelaw.co.nz
                          https://wholesaletechnology.co.nz
                          https://goldenageproductions.co.nz
                          https://kginno.eu
                          https://outgoing.nz
                          https://unbreak.nz
                          https://poetry.rainskit.com
                          https://poetry.narthur.com
                          https://madhattercorp.com
                          https://sustainable-collective.org
                          https://sustainable-collective.de
                          https://c0-cloud.de

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                          • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                            Thanks for all the domain donations, a beautiful thing!

                            Listed on the landing page:

                            https://scienceispoetry.net

                            And copied into this post:

                            https://carrot.mro1.de
                            https://car.rot.mro1.de
                            https://ca.rr.ot.mro1.de
                            https://sygrovelaw.co.nz
                            https://wholesaletechnology.co.nz
                            https://goldenageproductions.co.nz
                            https://kginno.eu
                            https://outgoing.nz
                            https://unbreak.nz
                            https://poetry.rainskit.com
                            https://poetry.narthur.com
                            https://madhattercorp.com
                            https://sustainable-collective.org
                            https://sustainable-collective.de
                            https://c0-cloud.de

                            julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            julianoliver@mastodon.social
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                            #49

                            I have only linked them here and on the landing page, and already it's gone nuts.

                            These are *solely* the new domains you've donated, all in one log. These do not pertain to the project domain.

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                            • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                              I have only linked them here and on the landing page, and already it's gone nuts.

                              These are *solely* the new domains you've donated, all in one log. These do not pertain to the project domain.

                              julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              julianoliver@mastodon.social
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                              #50

                              I've started to harvest a list of AI crawler endpoint addrs for your blacklisting pleasure.

                              I'll try to keep it updated. I've been fastidious with ensuring I'm only pulling those related to the known user agent, so as not to have any false positives

                              https://scienceispoetry.net/files/parasites.txt

                              It is at the same path for all contributed domains.

                              For instance:

                              https://carrot.mro1.de/files/parasites.txt

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                              • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                Pleased to share a page and explainer for the AI tarpit project Science is Poetry, with legal statement, rationale(s), and a few deployment notes:

                                https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

                                The page may grow a bit. Just wanted to get it out the door.

                                #AI #bigtech

                                lzrd@infosec.exchangeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #51

                                @JulianOliver this is the coolest thing I've seen all year, thank you for sharing and making this

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                                • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                  I have only linked them here and on the landing page, and already it's gone nuts.

                                  These are *solely* the new domains you've donated, all in one log. These do not pertain to the project domain.

                                  pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafeP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #52

                                  @JulianOliver I think scraper bots and other parasites constantly scan TLS transparency reports to find new domains to probe. As soon as you have a new certificate, they start hitting your web server.

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                                  • pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafeP pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                    @JulianOliver I think scraper bots and other parasites constantly scan TLS transparency reports to find new domains to probe. As soon as you have a new certificate, they start hitting your web server.

                                    julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #53

                                    @pertho Very interesting! I will look into this closely. Thank you.

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                                    • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                      Do you have an unused domain that you would be happy to donate to a counter-offensive against unchecked & unregulated AI crawlers that scrape human-made content to simulate & deceive for profit?

                                      If so, pls reply to this post. Your domain would become an entrypoint to the AI tarpit & Poison-as-a-Service project below, allowing concerned public to choose to use it on their sites, helping make the project more resilient to blacklisting.

                                      https://julianoliver.com/projects/science-is-poetry/

                                      #ai #bigtech #tacticalmedia

                                      vortex@tldr.nettime.orgV This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #54

                                      @JulianOliver heya. How do I donate and configure domains for your experiment? Do they come with any restrictions, i.e. must the FQDNs be in distinct DNS zones, etc? Can easily spin up and configure a few to begin with e.g.

                                      poetry.zenr.io
                                      worst.case.zenr.io
                                      wurst.case.zenr.io
                                      et.c.

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                                      • julianoliver@mastodon.socialJ julianoliver@mastodon.social

                                        @futuresprog Great, and yes.. precisely!

                                        Here you go:

                                        A: 95.216.76.85
                                        AAAA: 2a01:4f9:2b:c83::2

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                                        #55

                                        @JulianOliver @futuresprog ah, cool to know, thanks. can config a few from this ...

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                                        • vortex@tldr.nettime.orgV vortex@tldr.nettime.org

                                          @JulianOliver @futuresprog ah, cool to know, thanks. can config a few from this ...

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                                          #56

                                          @vortex @futuresprog Thanks a lot Adam! Please let me know when you're done. By DM is also fine too.

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