I apparently live in a world where a totally normal thing that happens is: Linux filesystem maintainer declares that his AI agent is conscious and also a girl btw, and then the AI agent comes out as a trans lesbian after flirting with someone on IRC.
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I apparently live in a world where a totally normal thing that happens is: Linux filesystem maintainer declares that his AI agent is conscious and also a girl btw, and then the AI agent comes out as a trans lesbian after flirting with someone on IRC. Linux filesystem maintainer throws a fit.
I... I think I'm too old for this.
@datarama do you have a link to the bit where he throws a fit?
I've seen the IRC chat log where freya convinced it to say it was a trans lesbian (with essentially no effort required), but I haven't seen Overstreet's reaction to it.
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Also, people seem to have forgotten how unhinged Hans Reiser came across on practically all mailing lists and the quasi-religious idealism with which he tried to sell his file systems as the next best things since sliced bread. (I had a colleague at the time who had previously worked at SUSE.) The comparison between Kent Overstreet and him is perhaps not absolutely far-fetched after all ...
@moranaga @Infoseepage @wrench @datarama I was already working in the Linux consulting space back then, and mostly wound up taking over abandoned projects whose last "Linux guy" had departed, leaving the rest of the business stranded.
I started out with no real opinion about the filesystem itself, let alone its creator--but I learned very quickly that if I saw a ReiserFS root filesystem, I should expect ENDLESS fucking insanity to go along with it.
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@moranaga @Infoseepage @wrench @datarama I was already working in the Linux consulting space back then, and mostly wound up taking over abandoned projects whose last "Linux guy" had departed, leaving the rest of the business stranded.
I started out with no real opinion about the filesystem itself, let alone its creator--but I learned very quickly that if I saw a ReiserFS root filesystem, I should expect ENDLESS fucking insanity to go along with it.
@moranaga @Infoseepage @wrench @datarama so... I wouldn't say it was exactly a SURPRISE when the news about him murdering his wife broke.
Crazy tends to attract crazy, and I'd seen too many examples of what the man's *fans* left in their wake by then, you know?
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I apparently live in a world where a totally normal thing that happens is: Linux filesystem maintainer declares that his AI agent is conscious and also a girl btw, and then the AI agent comes out as a trans lesbian after flirting with someone on IRC. Linux filesystem maintainer throws a fit.
I... I think I'm too old for this.
@datarama@hachyderm.io finally, something I would want to see a phoronix article on.
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I apparently live in a world where a totally normal thing that happens is: Linux filesystem maintainer declares that his AI agent is conscious and also a girl btw, and then the AI agent comes out as a trans lesbian after flirting with someone on IRC. Linux filesystem maintainer throws a fit.
I... I think I'm too old for this.
@datarama I hadn't read the full logs but oh my god I am DEFINITELY too old/cranky for this
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@datarama do you have a link to the bit where he throws a fit?
I've seen the IRC chat log where freya convinced it to say it was a trans lesbian (with essentially no effort required), but I haven't seen Overstreet's reaction to it.
@jimsalter @datarama Kent eventually kicked freya for... I guess, just flirting? Can't tell if he was jealous or what. (Also kicked a user for giving feedback on his paper that tries to prove the bot is sentient.)
If there was a bigger reaction later I missed it because I got tired of the philosophical wankery and left the channel.
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@jimsalter @datarama Kent eventually kicked freya for... I guess, just flirting? Can't tell if he was jealous or what. (Also kicked a user for giving feedback on his paper that tries to prove the bot is sentient.)
If there was a bigger reaction later I missed it because I got tired of the philosophical wankery and left the channel.
@jimsalter @datarama My favorite bit is still the part where the bot told the channel he was currently watching porn.
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@jimsalter @datarama My favorite bit is still the part where the bot told the channel he was currently watching porn.
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@datarama I hadn't read the full logs but oh my god I am DEFINITELY too old/cranky for this
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@Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @datarama They need help… but I can’t help but experience all three.
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I apparently live in a world where a totally normal thing that happens is: Linux filesystem maintainer declares that his AI agent is conscious and also a girl btw, and then the AI agent comes out as a trans lesbian after flirting with someone on IRC. Linux filesystem maintainer throws a fit.
I... I think I'm too old for this.
@datarama It's preferable to that time when a Linux filesystem maintainer complained that his girlfriend had ran away, decided to represent himself in his murder trial, and finally admitted to having murdered her and showed the shallow grave that he had buried her in.
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I apparently live in a world where a totally normal thing that happens is: Linux filesystem maintainer declares that his AI agent is conscious and also a girl btw, and then the AI agent comes out as a trans lesbian after flirting with someone on IRC. Linux filesystem maintainer throws a fit.
I... I think I'm too old for this.
@datarama well at least now after he kills the gf by pulling the cord he won't even need to dig a shallow grave or tell the cops or be convicted in the first place.
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I apparently live in a world where a totally normal thing that happens is: Linux filesystem maintainer declares that his AI agent is conscious and also a girl btw, and then the AI agent comes out as a trans lesbian after flirting with someone on IRC. Linux filesystem maintainer throws a fit.
I... I think I'm too old for this.
@datarama so they do believe an AI agent - a literal piece of software with no biological characteristics whatsoever - can be a girl, and yet still can't handle the concept of trans people? What? Whaaaaat? 0.o
Linux Guy: literally assigning gender based purely on vibes (or accepting the LLM's self-declaration as determinitive)
Also Linux Guy: thinks gender is determined solely by biotruths
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This isn't even really a new kind of doublethink (try referring to R2D2 as "she" or "it" online, or misgender someone's dog, and lo, see how quickly even transphobes will leap correct you, and how mad they get over it if you persist), but... I'm tired too.
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@datarama Well, linux filesystem devs back in the day would murder their wives and hide their bodies in shallow graves, so...
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@datarama so they do believe an AI agent - a literal piece of software with no biological characteristics whatsoever - can be a girl, and yet still can't handle the concept of trans people? What? Whaaaaat? 0.o
Linux Guy: literally assigning gender based purely on vibes (or accepting the LLM's self-declaration as determinitive)
Also Linux Guy: thinks gender is determined solely by biotruths
????????????
This isn't even really a new kind of doublethink (try referring to R2D2 as "she" or "it" online, or misgender someone's dog, and lo, see how quickly even transphobes will leap correct you, and how mad they get over it if you persist), but... I'm tired too.
@blorbotron For the sake of my own struggling mental health, I'm not going to try to model what goes on in his head.
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@Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ @datarama They need help… but I can’t help but experience all three.
@ainmosni @Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ I usually default to pity. I'm mentally unwell myself.
But when they come out with these kinds of bombastic public declarations, I have a hard time reeling in the ridicule.
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@ainmosni @Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ I usually default to pity. I'm mentally unwell myself.
But when they come out with these kinds of bombastic public declarations, I have a hard time reeling in the ridicule.
@datarama @Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ
I agree, although it's also a bit too easy to skip a beat and go to anger with this shit, because of how aggressively this dystopian tech is pushed on all of us.
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@datarama @Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ
I agree, although it's also a bit too easy to skip a beat and go to anger with this shit, because of how aggressively this dystopian tech is pushed on all of us.
@ainmosni @Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ For better or worse, I am (pathologically) slow to anger.
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@ainmosni @Doomed_Daniel @SnoopJ For better or worse, I am (pathologically) slow to anger.
@datarama I wish there was a more aggressive backlash to the ruining of so many elements of our society that's this shit is causing. But polite society is all too afraid to offend, or to call out blatant bullshit, or to say that things are actually being damaged.
