37° heat is depressing.
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@CiaraNi It's frustrating how little attention seems to be directed at a reliable railway system across Europe. I really wish I could just take trains from Denmark to visit my family in Greece, but so many things get in the way (including Hellenic Train being considered pretty much a death trap right now).
@bismuthcrow This resonates. I am longing for the day when the rail system gets integrated and improved enough to make train trips to family feasible. Long-distance trips right now require a lot of time and money, not do-able for (say) a funeral or a wedding with a few days off. Then I can 'upgrade' from No Frivolous Flying (as I call 'not flying on pure holidays') to No Flying at all.
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@CiaraNi Also you're really on point on the language we've been using. It's been shocking to me how many people here in Denmark seem to downplay the situation, not saying much beyond "wow it's pretty hot today isn't it". And when I say how abnormal this all is, my emotional reaction gets attributed to my cultural background
@bismuthcrow Yikes, that's doubly worse, dragging stereotypes about foreigners into the mix in order to ward off any mention of the need to change our behaviour because of climate collapse. I am entirely demoralised by the way almost everyone and every news media has managed to play it down, even as we literally sit in the middle of temperatures that leave no doubt about the climate crisis.
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@CiaraNi @hemlockcookie There'll be no more *anything* on the patio in the less-distant-than-we-think future - not without protective clothing, anyway. I'm surrounded by neighbours who still think weather and climate are the same thing, or just simply "don't believe" in climate change. I've shouted more than once at them "it's happening whether you believe in it or not you fucking imbeciles".
@MiaMarkTwo @hemlockcookie 'Less distant than we think' - I keep thinking about this. It is far less distant than we think. It's already here for some people, in some places on earth.
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@tompearce49 @CiaraNi @annaf @marjon I hope this heatwave will help 95% of the population understand that the problem is not just climate change itself, but also how we live, our culture, and even our philosophy of life.
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@CiaraNi @jakobtougaard @TCatInReality
I really thought after COVID, and grounded planes and quiet skies we had learned something, how wrong was I
Our family stopped using plastic carriers in the '80's and were recycling before we had roadside collections in the UK, we have 11 waterbutts and an extra large tank plumbed to the loo so we don't flush drinking water every time we flush!!
I personally have never flown, I'm not saying any of this to seem like some hero cos I'm not we're a two car household, and both are diesel, I'm just saying there are things that we can do on an individual level.
And we have to keep pushing governments to put in the changes needed, we will get over it!
I can get anywhere I want on TV or online!!
Without passport queues, to moan about!!@DoubleTreble @jakobtougaard @TCatInReality Yes, we managed fine without airborne holidays, flying only when genuinely necessary, and people boasted about all the lovely new places and experiences they'd found in their own country. Then most people rushed back to the cheap charter holidays and cheap flights.
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@MiaMarkTwo @hemlockcookie 'Less distant than we think' - I keep thinking about this. It is far less distant than we think. It's already here for some people, in some places on earth.
@CiaraNi @hemlockcookie The acceleration in consequences we've seen in the last 20 years is going to be absolutely dwarfed in the next 20, now that there's a global weakening of every kind of climate protection law. Then there's data centres ...
I don't like to think about it very much either. It isn't going to be prevented by me sorting my household waste any more than me boycotting the World Cup will stop it, but at least I'm not actively making it worse.
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@CiaraNi @TCatInReality
I did not say that it doesn't matter what we do as individuals
What I meant is that the economic incentives are way more effective and they require political action.@jakobtougaard I think we need to be able to talk about the concept of a mass boycott of fossil fuels through a mass boycott of holiday flights without qualifying it at the same time with 'well, it won't really make a difference'. Collective actions and mass boycotts are political actions. They are made up of multiple individual actions. I think immediately pointing at the politicians and the billionaires every time the subject comes up prevents us even having the conversation.
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@CiaraNi You're speaking what's on my mind, thank you!
@malte Thank you for saying this - I've been demoralised by the general reaction I see around me, both in 'real life' and online. People are putting so much effort into explaining away any need to modify our behaviour in any way. So I am encouraged to hear that it's not just me!
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@tompearce49 @CiaraNi @annaf @marjon I hope this heatwave will help 95% of the population understand that the problem is not just climate change itself, but also how we live, our culture, and even our philosophy of life.
@experimentmapass This was my hope too, so I am now demoralised after the first few days of harsh heat where I am. It seems to be having the opposite effect - so many people are coming up with so many 'reasons' why it will make no real difference if individual people modify their individual behaviour. It's starting to feel very 'I'll give you my city-break flights when you pry them from my cold, dead hands on a warm, dead planet'.
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@harib_murshidi @CiaraNi not mention 'moon-phase' wristwatches, or even lambourghinis.
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@malte Thank you for saying this - I've been demoralised by the general reaction I see around me, both in 'real life' and online. People are putting so much effort into explaining away any need to modify our behaviour in any way. So I am encouraged to hear that it's not just me!
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@CiaraNi @TCatInReality I think there's 2 factors. One is that people who want to do the right thing feel overwhelmed and simply surviving with wars, cost of living, AI Trump etc. That it won't make a difference and making small changes might make you feel better doesn't move the needle so it's hard to keep going when doing the right thing is harder (eg public transport is worse, holidaying locally with poorer weather and more expensive).
@RoBo2 Mass boycotts of holiday flights or fast fashion could move the needle. Mass actions are just multiple individual actions. If someone feels overwhelmed, taking part in a collective campaign that costs them nothing (literally and figuratively) could help them feel less helpless.
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@anderslund @malte This is encouraging, tak! Det er også en god idé, din mor har der.
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@harib_murshidi @CiaraNi not mention 'moon-phase' wristwatches, or even lambourghinis.
@dckim @harib_murshidi On the plus side, as long as those billionaires keep flying private jets and sailing private yachts and wearing expensive wristwatches and driving Lamborghinis, then the rest of us don't have to do anything. We don't have to give up holiday flights or fast fashion or regular mobile phone upgrades or make any changes whatsoever to our consumer behaviour. Thank heavens for billionaires!
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@Eetschrijver @hemlockcookie Yes, good point. We don't have the freedom to do ordinary stuff in this heat.
@CiaraNi
We're, in fact, close to the point where we'll be lucky to survive a heatwave at all. I live in central France, not a hot region, and we hit 47⁰C in the shadow last Monday. More than a thousand people died of heat-related causes in just six days, only in France.
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@dckim @harib_murshidi On the plus side, as long as those billionaires keep flying private jets and sailing private yachts and wearing expensive wristwatches and driving Lamborghinis, then the rest of us don't have to do anything. We don't have to give up holiday flights or fast fashion or regular mobile phone upgrades or make any changes whatsoever to our consumer behaviour. Thank heavens for billionaires!
@CiaraNi @harib_murshidi a well written straw argument.
We are all exceptionally rich, for the most part.
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@CiaraNi @harib_murshidi a well written straw argument.
We are all exceptionally rich, for the most part.
@dckim @harib_murshidi I think we need to bring the 10% (or whatever the figure is; it's somewhere around that) into the conversation as well as the 1%. Those of us who have the privilege to over-consume and take unnecessary flights are a small minority of all people on the planet. Collectively, we have actual consumer power to boycott and give clear signals to politicians.
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@experimentmapass This was my hope too, so I am now demoralised after the first few days of harsh heat where I am. It seems to be having the opposite effect - so many people are coming up with so many 'reasons' why it will make no real difference if individual people modify their individual behaviour. It's starting to feel very 'I'll give you my city-break flights when you pry them from my cold, dead hands on a warm, dead planet'.
@CiaraNi @tompearce49 @marjon also we’re always being told that it’s wrong to focus on personal actions so I’m constantly feeling guilty for even existing, but I’m also the only family member / close friend who’s joined a climate group so I can’t help think the two things are linked.
I’m not living a perfect eco life, of course but I just imagine a world where you say ‘hey there’s this big problem’ and people around you are like ‘let’s work on this together, you’re not alone’ that would be awesome, I must be so naive or something but I honestly thought that would happen if people had enough information. I probably still do!
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@dckim @harib_murshidi I think we need to bring the 10% (or whatever the figure is; it's somewhere around that) into the conversation as well as the 1%. Those of us who have the privilege to over-consume and take unnecessary flights are a small minority of all people on the planet. Collectively, we have actual consumer power to boycott and give clear signals to politicians.
We should try to get the word out on this for people to press the money into shoe-boxes and sit idle during vacation.
The economist are always pressing towards a 'full-employment' which will guarantee a maximal consumption for their profit-books.
More and more, expend all you can at all times. That's the prevailing motto. If you can't spend it invest it to be spent some other way.
Insatiable
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@CiaraNi @tompearce49 @marjon also we’re always being told that it’s wrong to focus on personal actions so I’m constantly feeling guilty for even existing, but I’m also the only family member / close friend who’s joined a climate group so I can’t help think the two things are linked.
I’m not living a perfect eco life, of course but I just imagine a world where you say ‘hey there’s this big problem’ and people around you are like ‘let’s work on this together, you’re not alone’ that would be awesome, I must be so naive or something but I honestly thought that would happen if people had enough information. I probably still do!
@annaf
"I just imagine a world where you say ‘hey there’s this big problem’ and people around you are like ‘let’s work on this together, you’re not alone’ that would be awesome" - that would indeed be awesome. The way things are going, we need that.
