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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    RE: https://mas.to/@Aubreader/116330793703168577

    This article is a must read.

    An excerpt: “Why would anyone fund an Atmosphere project if #Bluesky, with $100 million in the bank, might ship a competing feature at any moment? Why would a founder bet their career on this ecosystem? The presentation didn't just hurt Graze. It made the entire ecosystem look unfundable.”

    Why do I keep bringing up this topic?

    Because #ATproto is often put in the same category as #ActivityPub (“open protocols yay”) but I strongly disagree with that stance

    urlyman@mastodon.socialU benjamin@piaille.frB smallcircles@social.coopS philcowans@universeodon.comP hamishcampbell@mastodon.socialH 5 Replies Last reply
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      RE: https://mas.to/@Aubreader/116330793703168577

      This article is a must read.

      An excerpt: “Why would anyone fund an Atmosphere project if #Bluesky, with $100 million in the bank, might ship a competing feature at any moment? Why would a founder bet their career on this ecosystem? The presentation didn't just hurt Graze. It made the entire ecosystem look unfundable.”

      Why do I keep bringing up this topic?

      Because #ATproto is often put in the same category as #ActivityPub (“open protocols yay”) but I strongly disagree with that stance

      urlyman@mastodon.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @_elena they think algorithmically sorting people *in the context of discursive discussion* can be good. They are wrong

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      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

        RE: https://mas.to/@Aubreader/116330793703168577

        This article is a must read.

        An excerpt: “Why would anyone fund an Atmosphere project if #Bluesky, with $100 million in the bank, might ship a competing feature at any moment? Why would a founder bet their career on this ecosystem? The presentation didn't just hurt Graze. It made the entire ecosystem look unfundable.”

        Why do I keep bringing up this topic?

        Because #ATproto is often put in the same category as #ActivityPub (“open protocols yay”) but I strongly disagree with that stance

        benjamin@piaille.frB This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @_elena reading that article I also stopped at that sentence. I totally love the fact that nobody think activitypub is a good place to do VC funding of startups ... It proves it's sane enough ❤

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        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

          RE: https://mas.to/@Aubreader/116330793703168577

          This article is a must read.

          An excerpt: “Why would anyone fund an Atmosphere project if #Bluesky, with $100 million in the bank, might ship a competing feature at any moment? Why would a founder bet their career on this ecosystem? The presentation didn't just hurt Graze. It made the entire ecosystem look unfundable.”

          Why do I keep bringing up this topic?

          Because #ATproto is often put in the same category as #ActivityPub (“open protocols yay”) but I strongly disagree with that stance

          smallcircles@social.coopS This user is from outside of this forum
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          @_elena thank you for sharing the article.

          The same considerations should be honestly made for the #ActivityPub fediverse as well. So we may address them in time. Not all is well. I am writing a blog post on open standards divergence and increasing unattractiveness of an ecosystem that hems itself into a straitjacket of narrow application areas, by the protocol decay we allow to fester. Combined with inadequate work methods to reconcile the tech debt that this incurs. We must go "back to standards" or have an ecosystem based on enabling technologies that are increasingly unattractive to adopt.

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          • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

            RE: https://mas.to/@Aubreader/116330793703168577

            This article is a must read.

            An excerpt: “Why would anyone fund an Atmosphere project if #Bluesky, with $100 million in the bank, might ship a competing feature at any moment? Why would a founder bet their career on this ecosystem? The presentation didn't just hurt Graze. It made the entire ecosystem look unfundable.”

            Why do I keep bringing up this topic?

            Because #ATproto is often put in the same category as #ActivityPub (“open protocols yay”) but I strongly disagree with that stance

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            @_elena - completely agree with this. If Bluesky have taken $100m then someone is expecting north of $1b back, so the question is whether there's a way to achieve that which is aligned with the community, and even if there is, whether management has the discipline (and strategic skill) to avoid being distracted by easier wins or bigger prizes. We've had more than 20 years of people trying and failing to do that, and I've not seen anyone credibly arguing that something fundamental has changed.

            We mustn't be complacent about ActivityPub though - as I see it there are very few protocols which are genuinely open, to the extent that they couldn't be easily captured by a sufficiently well funded motivated party. Those which are (HTTP, email, JSON, etc.) have been widely used for a long time, so there's a lot more work to do.

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            • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

              RE: https://mas.to/@Aubreader/116330793703168577

              This article is a must read.

              An excerpt: “Why would anyone fund an Atmosphere project if #Bluesky, with $100 million in the bank, might ship a competing feature at any moment? Why would a founder bet their career on this ecosystem? The presentation didn't just hurt Graze. It made the entire ecosystem look unfundable.”

              Why do I keep bringing up this topic?

              Because #ATproto is often put in the same category as #ActivityPub (“open protocols yay”) but I strongly disagree with that stance

              hamishcampbell@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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              @_elena it's a mess that keeps growing, and we will be left to compost it, too much #techshit, and we all start to stink - why would anyone use the #openweb with that bad smell. The last time this happened was the #encryptionists with the #blockchain mess, there is a big overlap with #bluesky

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