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  3. just in case you didn’t know that “it’s only for code reviews, I don’t see the problem” is always bad faith horseshit: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Claude-Code

just in case you didn’t know that “it’s only for code reviews, I don’t see the problem” is always bad faith horseshit: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Claude-Code

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  • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

    just in case you didn’t know that “it’s only for code reviews, I don’t see the problem” is always bad faith horseshit: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Claude-Code

    > Linux creator Linus Torvalds has been known to use AI to help with kernel debugging and outside of the kernel tree has also done some vibe coding with Google's Antigravity. He has previously said he views AI as a useful tool. It turns out he's even now using Claude Code for working on new Linux kernel features.

    > "The code, the test programs, the review behind the list above and the first draft of this text were done with an LLM coding assistant (Claude Code) under my direction. The measurements were run on my machine."

    so just a full vibe, done with the LLM that can’t make a web browser, C compiler, rsync features that aren’t riddled with bugs, or JavaScript runtime

    this is the shit we were warning you about

    was there a reason why you didn’t listen?

    zzt@mas.toZ This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #4

    I cannot emphasize enough how horrid Claude Code (and every other LLM) is at systems code

    it’s horrid at everything, but when torvalds pretends it’s any good for kernel work he’s trying to talk over a clear pattern of failures

    I cannot name a single vibed piece of systems code that actually works with anything approaching basic reliability

    torvalds’ proof that any of this shit does anything at all is that:
    - it shit out a generic python UI for one of his side projects
    - the corporations funding him via the Linux Foundation and keeping him fat in tokens say it works great

    that’s it. that’s where all his confidence comes from. that and him being a mediocre little fucker.

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    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

      just in case you didn’t know that “it’s only for code reviews, I don’t see the problem” is always bad faith horseshit: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Claude-Code

      > Linux creator Linus Torvalds has been known to use AI to help with kernel debugging and outside of the kernel tree has also done some vibe coding with Google's Antigravity. He has previously said he views AI as a useful tool. It turns out he's even now using Claude Code for working on new Linux kernel features.

      > "The code, the test programs, the review behind the list above and the first draft of this text were done with an LLM coding assistant (Claude Code) under my direction. The measurements were run on my machine."

      so just a full vibe, done with the LLM that can’t make a web browser, C compiler, rsync features that aren’t riddled with bugs, or JavaScript runtime

      this is the shit we were warning you about

      was there a reason why you didn’t listen?

      bredroll@mas.toB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #5

      @zzt sadly this is "cognitive surrender" at its most visible.

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      • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

        I cannot emphasize enough how horrid Claude Code (and every other LLM) is at systems code

        it’s horrid at everything, but when torvalds pretends it’s any good for kernel work he’s trying to talk over a clear pattern of failures

        I cannot name a single vibed piece of systems code that actually works with anything approaching basic reliability

        torvalds’ proof that any of this shit does anything at all is that:
        - it shit out a generic python UI for one of his side projects
        - the corporations funding him via the Linux Foundation and keeping him fat in tokens say it works great

        that’s it. that’s where all his confidence comes from. that and him being a mediocre little fucker.

        zzt@mas.toZ This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #6

        surely this time. surely the horrid thing that can’t produce stable software for the xteink x4, to the point where people are abandoning their devices out of frustration, will be fantastic at making features for a much larger, much much more complicated kernel that has to work across a gigantic variety of hardware

        surely this time

        cjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.placeC dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD zzt@mas.toZ 3 Replies Last reply
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        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

          just in case you didn’t know that “it’s only for code reviews, I don’t see the problem” is always bad faith horseshit: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Claude-Code

          > Linux creator Linus Torvalds has been known to use AI to help with kernel debugging and outside of the kernel tree has also done some vibe coding with Google's Antigravity. He has previously said he views AI as a useful tool. It turns out he's even now using Claude Code for working on new Linux kernel features.

          > "The code, the test programs, the review behind the list above and the first draft of this text were done with an LLM coding assistant (Claude Code) under my direction. The measurements were run on my machine."

          so just a full vibe, done with the LLM that can’t make a web browser, C compiler, rsync features that aren’t riddled with bugs, or JavaScript runtime

          this is the shit we were warning you about

          was there a reason why you didn’t listen?

          bob@epicyon.libreserver.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
          bob@epicyon.libreserver.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
          bob@epicyon.libreserver.org
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #7

          @zzt If Linus gets AI psychosis then that could work out badly. Maybe his skills atrophy and he gets replaced by someone from Microsoft or Google, and then Linux becomes increasingly closed. It could be the beginning of the end of the Linux kernel and the time for something else to rise.

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          • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

            I cannot emphasize enough how horrid Claude Code (and every other LLM) is at systems code

            it’s horrid at everything, but when torvalds pretends it’s any good for kernel work he’s trying to talk over a clear pattern of failures

            I cannot name a single vibed piece of systems code that actually works with anything approaching basic reliability

            torvalds’ proof that any of this shit does anything at all is that:
            - it shit out a generic python UI for one of his side projects
            - the corporations funding him via the Linux Foundation and keeping him fat in tokens say it works great

            that’s it. that’s where all his confidence comes from. that and him being a mediocre little fucker.

            bredroll@mas.toB This user is from outside of this forum
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            bredroll@mas.to
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #8

            @zzt the biggest problem is that LLMs will create unmaintainable code and maintainers that cant really maintain the code, the projects will see a sharp decline and stagnation

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            • bob@epicyon.libreserver.orgB bob@epicyon.libreserver.org

              @zzt If Linus gets AI psychosis then that could work out badly. Maybe his skills atrophy and he gets replaced by someone from Microsoft or Google, and then Linux becomes increasingly closed. It could be the beginning of the end of the Linux kernel and the time for something else to rise.

              zzt@mas.toZ This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #9

              @bob “if”?

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              • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                surely this time. surely the horrid thing that can’t produce stable software for the xteink x4, to the point where people are abandoning their devices out of frustration, will be fantastic at making features for a much larger, much much more complicated kernel that has to work across a gigantic variety of hardware

                surely this time

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                #10

                @zzt One more reason software projects shouldn’t be run on the “benevolent” dictator for life model.

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                • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                  @bob “if”?

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                  #11

                  @zzt Maybe he already believes in the AI messiah. I don't keep up with LKML.

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                  • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                    just in case you didn’t know that “it’s only for code reviews, I don’t see the problem” is always bad faith horseshit: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Claude-Code

                    > Linux creator Linus Torvalds has been known to use AI to help with kernel debugging and outside of the kernel tree has also done some vibe coding with Google's Antigravity. He has previously said he views AI as a useful tool. It turns out he's even now using Claude Code for working on new Linux kernel features.

                    > "The code, the test programs, the review behind the list above and the first draft of this text were done with an LLM coding assistant (Claude Code) under my direction. The measurements were run on my machine."

                    so just a full vibe, done with the LLM that can’t make a web browser, C compiler, rsync features that aren’t riddled with bugs, or JavaScript runtime

                    this is the shit we were warning you about

                    was there a reason why you didn’t listen?

                    datarama@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #12

                    @zzt It depends, I suppose, on what "under my direction" means. Given who we're talking about, that might very well mean reading the code and responding with angry, expletive-laden rants when he isn't satisfied.

                    davidgerard@circumstances.runD aburka@hachyderm.ioA datarama@hachyderm.ioD 3 Replies Last reply
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                    • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                      @zzt It depends, I suppose, on what "under my direction" means. Given who we're talking about, that might very well mean reading the code and responding with angry, expletive-laden rants when he isn't satisfied.

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                      #13

                      @datarama @zzt now we know who caused Anthropic to add that to the TOS

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                      • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                        @zzt It depends, I suppose, on what "under my direction" means. Given who we're talking about, that might very well mean reading the code and responding with angry, expletive-laden rants when he isn't satisfied.

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                        #14

                        @datarama @zzt maybe Anthropic was specifically reading his sessions when they came out and said we need to stop insulting the clankers

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                        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                          surely this time. surely the horrid thing that can’t produce stable software for the xteink x4, to the point where people are abandoning their devices out of frustration, will be fantastic at making features for a much larger, much much more complicated kernel that has to work across a gigantic variety of hardware

                          surely this time

                          dysfun@social.treehouse.systemsD This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #15

                          @zzt this time you WILL be forced to eat my shit because you're too much of a pussy to try NetBSD.

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                          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                            @datarama @zzt now we know who caused Anthropic to add that to the TOS

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                            #16

                            @davidgerard @datarama @zzt i suspect they added that "no insults" thing because they are using prompts as training data and that its bleeding through into models,

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                            • bredroll@mas.toB bredroll@mas.to

                              @davidgerard @datarama @zzt i suspect they added that "no insults" thing because they are using prompts as training data and that its bleeding through into models,

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                              #17

                              @Bredroll @davidgerard@circumstances.run @zzt I think it's because they're mentally unwell and think Claude has feelings.

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                              • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                just in case you didn’t know that “it’s only for code reviews, I don’t see the problem” is always bad faith horseshit: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Claude-Code

                                > Linux creator Linus Torvalds has been known to use AI to help with kernel debugging and outside of the kernel tree has also done some vibe coding with Google's Antigravity. He has previously said he views AI as a useful tool. It turns out he's even now using Claude Code for working on new Linux kernel features.

                                > "The code, the test programs, the review behind the list above and the first draft of this text were done with an LLM coding assistant (Claude Code) under my direction. The measurements were run on my machine."

                                so just a full vibe, done with the LLM that can’t make a web browser, C compiler, rsync features that aren’t riddled with bugs, or JavaScript runtime

                                this is the shit we were warning you about

                                was there a reason why you didn’t listen?

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                                #18

                                @zzt I find it deeply ironic there is an anti-crawler / do busy work landing page sitting in front of kernel dot org where this sludge patch is sitting

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                                • cjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.placeC cjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                  @zzt One more reason software projects shouldn’t be run on the “benevolent” dictator for life model.

                                  tipoqueno@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #19

                                  @cjgibilisco @zzt my thoughts this past week: maybe the BDFL wasn't a clever idea after all

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                                  • datarama@hachyderm.ioD datarama@hachyderm.io

                                    @zzt It depends, I suppose, on what "under my direction" means. Given who we're talking about, that might very well mean reading the code and responding with angry, expletive-laden rants when he isn't satisfied.

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                                    #20

                                    @zzt This, in fact, is the reason why I think that if there's anyone in the entire world who has a chance of actually pulling something like this off, it's probably Linus.

                                    Not because he's a great superprogrammer or anything, but simply due to experience: Reading code and complaining about it if it's not to his liking *has basically been his entire job for 25+ years*. He's also used to dealing with sycophants - though not, as far as I'm aware, with the kind of "malicious correctness" that LLMs tend to do.

                                    (Of course, this also means that if he can't pull it off, then it's probably safe to say that nobody can.)

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                                    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                                      just in case you didn’t know that “it’s only for code reviews, I don’t see the problem” is always bad faith horseshit: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Claude-Code

                                      > Linux creator Linus Torvalds has been known to use AI to help with kernel debugging and outside of the kernel tree has also done some vibe coding with Google's Antigravity. He has previously said he views AI as a useful tool. It turns out he's even now using Claude Code for working on new Linux kernel features.

                                      > "The code, the test programs, the review behind the list above and the first draft of this text were done with an LLM coding assistant (Claude Code) under my direction. The measurements were run on my machine."

                                      so just a full vibe, done with the LLM that can’t make a web browser, C compiler, rsync features that aren’t riddled with bugs, or JavaScript runtime

                                      this is the shit we were warning you about

                                      was there a reason why you didn’t listen?

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                                      #21

                                      @zzt I take some solace in knowing that, while my C chops are not nearly as good as Linus's, I will soon surpass him in skill as he gradually loses any semblance of technical ability by outsourcing it to the bobot and I don't.

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                                      • tipoqueno@mastodon.socialT tipoqueno@mastodon.social

                                        @cjgibilisco @zzt my thoughts this past week: maybe the BDFL wasn't a clever idea after all

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                                        #22

                                        @tipoqueno @cjgibilisco @zzt "Benevolent" has always been wildly open to interpretation.

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                                        • tehstu@hachyderm.ioT tehstu@hachyderm.io

                                          @zzt "Under my direction". Sure.

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                                          #23

                                          @tehstu @zzt "don't hallucinate, write good code ONLY"

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