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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    They took one dude off the train #Schengen

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    #12

    @jon On one of my crossing from Germany to Denmark in March a white lady got to ride onwards without an ID, but a family with a hijab-wearing mother all got thrown off. 🤨

    I feel soooo safe with these old military guys and armed cops throwing off families.

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      I’m pretty sure that if you controlled any train of 400 passengers, anywhere, you’d find 1 person with the wrong papers #Schengen

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      #13

      @jon usually 1 out of 30 or 40. In most cases, one bus of people is enough tp find someone

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        I’m pretty sure that if you controlled any train of 400 passengers, anywhere, you’d find 1 person with the wrong papers #Schengen

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        #14

        @jon Sure, the point is of-course that we shouldn't care about people's papers though.

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        • wmd@chaos.socialW wmd@chaos.social

          @jon Sure, the point is of-course that we shouldn't care about people's papers though.

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          #15

          @wmd Right. But the point is simply controlling at borders makes just as little sense as not at borders!

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            “You just see this train” he goes on. “You don’t see what I see in 8 hours”

            No. You don’t see most of what happens because you don’t control every car

            Oh and you didn’t control my ID properly anyway, you piece of shit destroying a border free Europe on behalf of your smug piece of shit political bosses

            #Schengen

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            #16

            @jon ”You just see this train”, he said not knowing exactly who he was speaking to 😅

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              @Veronique_D and if you cross the border on a small lane likely there’ll be no check.

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              #17

              @jon I assume anyone who does have "something to hide" and still wants or needs to do train travel just takes the Niebüll - Tønder route. No checks at all and the scenery is nicer as well.

              @Veronique_D

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                @wmd Right. But the point is simply controlling at borders makes just as little sense as not at borders!

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                #18

                @jon ah like that. yes. the location probably has no impact.

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  @Veronique_D and if you cross the border on a small lane likely there’ll be no check.

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                  #19

                  @jon we crossed on our bikes through the woods, following a path, 200 m from the border control: it's so low key that we didn't notice we had passed the border. Border control is a joke.

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                  • markus@skvip.lolM markus@skvip.lol

                    @jon On one of my crossing from Germany to Denmark in March a white lady got to ride onwards without an ID, but a family with a hijab-wearing mother all got thrown off. 🤨

                    I feel soooo safe with these old military guys and armed cops throwing off families.

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                    #20

                    @markus Twice now I've been "checked & cleared" by showing my toddlers passport. It's not even the correct nationality.

                    Another time I was "checked & cleared" with my old passport. Which has holes stamped all the way through.

                    I've also seen two rather dark skinned Spanish 'youngsters' who were interrogated for almost ten minutes as they had their ID cards in a sleeve saying "fuck the police". There was nothing wrong with their ID cards.

                    (I'm a very white guy, often with my laptop out)

                    @jon

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                    • veronique_d@mastodon.greenV veronique_d@mastodon.green

                      @jon we crossed on our bikes through the woods, following a path, 200 m from the border control: it's so low key that we didn't notice we had passed the border. Border control is a joke.

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                      #21

                      @Veronique_D right. Seen that dozens of times. I think I’ve never been checked on a bike!

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        @Veronique_D right. Seen that dozens of times. I think I’ve never been checked on a bike!

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                        #22

                        @jon @Veronique_D

                        Same. We toured by bike from Rostock to Denmark and Sweden and back to Rostock and no one checked anything.

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          I’m pretty sure that if you controlled any train of 400 passengers, anywhere, you’d find 1 person with the wrong papers #Schengen

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                          #23

                          @jon as long as the person has dark skin because they are the only ones actually checked

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                          • sbamueller@freiburg.socialS sbamueller@freiburg.social

                            @jon as long as the person has dark skin because they are the only ones actually checked

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                            #24

                            @sbamueller they glanced at everyone’s id here.

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              Also the guy was genuinely surprised to get pushed. No I do not want border controls here damn it. #Schengen

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                              #25

                              @jon oh those border controls are peak pointless, no clue if you travelled from saarbrücken to sarreguimes yet, but neither the tram nor the bridge have any bpol present, so you cam literally just cross the borser to and from france with what ever you can transport in the tram or on foot/bike

                              further the forbach-saarbrücken section with the TER/Regio? bpol controls are them standing on the platform while smoking and vaguely looking at the people on the platform arriving

                              peak fucking farce

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                @Veronique_D and if you cross the border on a small lane likely there’ll be no check.

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                                #26

                                @jon @Veronique_D Or at an airport, of course

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                                • 16af93@wetdry.world1 16af93@wetdry.world

                                  @jon oh those border controls are peak pointless, no clue if you travelled from saarbrücken to sarreguimes yet, but neither the tram nor the bridge have any bpol present, so you cam literally just cross the borser to and from france with what ever you can transport in the tram or on foot/bike

                                  further the forbach-saarbrücken section with the TER/Regio? bpol controls are them standing on the platform while smoking and vaguely looking at the people on the platform arriving

                                  peak fucking farce

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                                  #27

                                  @16af93 errr I cross the France - Germany border at different places very regularly, so yes

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    In the end systematic work about #Schengen - same as I’ve done with #CrossBorderRail - would be useful here. To show not only how costly and discriminatory and disruptive this all is, but that *it doesn’t work*

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                                    #28

                                    Although the #Schengen problem is so deep. At least with #CrossBorderRail I could theoretically solve something at some border. With Schengen I’ve no theory of change.

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      I’m pretty sure that if you controlled any train of 400 passengers, anywhere, you’d find 1 person with the wrong papers #Schengen

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                                      #29

                                      @jon I'm not sure our train back in May even got controlled. Our train manager (or what do DB and DSB call them) made sure to announce three times in advanve that we should get our documents out for control, that then never happened. Instead we got even more behind the timetable than we already were. It's utterly frustrating.

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        @Veronique_D right. Seen that dozens of times. I think I’ve never been checked on a bike!

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                                        #30

                                        @jon @Veronique_D

                                        My parents apparently already smuggled US soldiers across those forests into Denmark, during the Vietnam war...

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          “You just see this train” he goes on. “You don’t see what I see in 8 hours”

                                          No. You don’t see most of what happens because you don’t control every car

                                          Oh and you didn’t control my ID properly anyway, you piece of shit destroying a border free Europe on behalf of your smug piece of shit political bosses

                                          #Schengen

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                                          #31

                                          @jon He should try talking to his colleagues who used to do the (fairly well targeted) roaming controls before the resources were reallocated to border security theater. They were much more efficient and didn't bother random people.

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