Danish border control fascist
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@Veronique_D and if you cross the border on a small lane likely there’ll be no check.
@jon we crossed on our bikes through the woods, following a path, 200 m from the border control: it's so low key that we didn't notice we had passed the border. Border control is a joke.
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@jon On one of my crossing from Germany to Denmark in March a white lady got to ride onwards without an ID, but a family with a hijab-wearing mother all got thrown off. 🤨
I feel soooo safe with these old military guys and armed cops throwing off families.
@markus Twice now I've been "checked & cleared" by showing my toddlers passport. It's not even the correct nationality.
Another time I was "checked & cleared" with my old passport. Which has holes stamped all the way through.
I've also seen two rather dark skinned Spanish 'youngsters' who were interrogated for almost ten minutes as they had their ID cards in a sleeve saying "fuck the police". There was nothing wrong with their ID cards.
(I'm a very white guy, often with my laptop out)
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@jon we crossed on our bikes through the woods, following a path, 200 m from the border control: it's so low key that we didn't notice we had passed the border. Border control is a joke.
@Veronique_D right. Seen that dozens of times. I think I’ve never been checked on a bike!
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@Veronique_D right. Seen that dozens of times. I think I’ve never been checked on a bike!
Same. We toured by bike from Rostock to Denmark and Sweden and back to Rostock and no one checked anything.
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I’m pretty sure that if you controlled any train of 400 passengers, anywhere, you’d find 1 person with the wrong papers #Schengen
@jon as long as the person has dark skin because they are the only ones actually checked
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@jon as long as the person has dark skin because they are the only ones actually checked
@sbamueller they glanced at everyone’s id here.
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Also the guy was genuinely surprised to get pushed. No I do not want border controls here damn it. #Schengen
@jon oh those border controls are peak pointless, no clue if you travelled from saarbrücken to sarreguimes yet, but neither the tram nor the bridge have any bpol present, so you cam literally just cross the borser to and from france with what ever you can transport in the tram or on foot/bike
further the forbach-saarbrücken section with the TER/Regio? bpol controls are them standing on the platform while smoking and vaguely looking at the people on the platform arriving
peak fucking farce
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@Veronique_D and if you cross the border on a small lane likely there’ll be no check.
@jon @Veronique_D Or at an airport, of course
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@jon oh those border controls are peak pointless, no clue if you travelled from saarbrücken to sarreguimes yet, but neither the tram nor the bridge have any bpol present, so you cam literally just cross the borser to and from france with what ever you can transport in the tram or on foot/bike
further the forbach-saarbrücken section with the TER/Regio? bpol controls are them standing on the platform while smoking and vaguely looking at the people on the platform arriving
peak fucking farce
@16af93 errr I cross the France - Germany border at different places very regularly, so yes
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In the end systematic work about #Schengen - same as I’ve done with #CrossBorderRail - would be useful here. To show not only how costly and discriminatory and disruptive this all is, but that *it doesn’t work*
Although the #Schengen problem is so deep. At least with #CrossBorderRail I could theoretically solve something at some border. With Schengen I’ve no theory of change.
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I’m pretty sure that if you controlled any train of 400 passengers, anywhere, you’d find 1 person with the wrong papers #Schengen
@jon I'm not sure our train back in May even got controlled. Our train manager (or what do DB and DSB call them) made sure to announce three times in advanve that we should get our documents out for control, that then never happened. Instead we got even more behind the timetable than we already were. It's utterly frustrating.
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@Veronique_D right. Seen that dozens of times. I think I’ve never been checked on a bike!
My parents apparently already smuggled US soldiers across those forests into Denmark, during the Vietnam war...
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“You just see this train” he goes on. “You don’t see what I see in 8 hours”
No. You don’t see most of what happens because you don’t control every car
Oh and you didn’t control my ID properly anyway, you piece of shit destroying a border free Europe on behalf of your smug piece of shit political bosses
@jon He should try talking to his colleagues who used to do the (fairly well targeted) roaming controls before the resources were reallocated to border security theater. They were much more efficient and didn't bother random people.
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Danish border control fascist *******
“Do you not believe in border controls?” he asks me. You’ve had temporary border controls here 11 years you shits
@jon
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@jon I assume anyone who does have "something to hide" and still wants or needs to do train travel just takes the Niebüll - Tønder route. No checks at all and the scenery is nicer as well.
@Pepijn @jon @Veronique_D Did they actually get rid of the border checks at Tønder? I've got checked there once or twice out of three times. However, that was maybe 3 or 4 years ago. The control wasn't too serious though: "Goddag, kommer du fra Tyskland?" - "Schweiz" - "Ok, god rejse"
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@Pepijn @jon @Veronique_D Did they actually get rid of the border checks at Tønder? I've got checked there once or twice out of three times. However, that was maybe 3 or 4 years ago. The control wasn't too serious though: "Goddag, kommer du fra Tyskland?" - "Schweiz" - "Ok, god rejse"
@larstransportworld They're still there in theory, like on all Danish borders.
I've not seen them myself and two daily commuters* told me that at times months have gone by for them without a check.
*I'd love to have that route as my daily commute.
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I’m pretty sure that if you controlled any train of 400 passengers, anywhere, you’d find 1 person with the wrong papers #Schengen
@jon And how many drivers with invalid driver's license/insurance papers (or forgotten at home) out of 400 random cars? I'm pretty sure you'd find at least 1 too!
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@Pepijn @jon @Veronique_D Did they actually get rid of the border checks at Tønder? I've got checked there once or twice out of three times. However, that was maybe 3 or 4 years ago. The control wasn't too serious though: "Goddag, kommer du fra Tyskland?" - "Schweiz" - "Ok, god rejse"
@larstransportworld You're “white”, I take it?
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@larstransportworld You're “white”, I take it?
@edavies @larstransportworld @Pepijn @Veronique_D oddly they were foul to everyone yesterday, not only minorities.
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@edavies @larstransportworld @Pepijn @Veronique_D oddly they were foul to everyone yesterday, not only minorities.
@jon @edavies @Pepijn @Veronique_D
Yes, and I even replied in basic Danish. So I didn't seem 'suspicious' to them, I guess. However, as Jon pointed out, everyone gets controlled in Padborg, in my experience. That wasn't the case in Tønder, though.
