I used a Norwegian open-source tool to analyze my old Spotify data as a customer.
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I used a Norwegian open-source tool to analyze my old Spotify data as a customer.
I don't use Spotify anymore, but I can announce that of all the money I ever paid them, approx. 5% went to the artists I listened to.
That is a pretty insane transfer of wealth from the bottom / middle to the top if you ask me.
I already knew Spotify is a big scam for those not at the top, but seeing the numbers still gives me a bodily reaction.
@lislegaard #Deezer have been proposing a fairer model of distributing those payments for years (link below). As far as I know this has been blocked by the major labels who effectively control the industry and also own a sizeable stake in Spotify.
https://support.deezer.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360002471277-Artist-Centric-Payment-Model-ACPS
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@lislegaard #Deezer have been proposing a fairer model of distributing those payments for years (link below). As far as I know this has been blocked by the major labels who effectively control the industry and also own a sizeable stake in Spotify.
https://support.deezer.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360002471277-Artist-Centric-Payment-Model-ACPS
yup this is correct! which is why i could imagine a future being that only the major label artists are on spotify etc. and that the rest is
- free givaways for promo
- on a smaller streaming platform without the major labels and where your money gets distributed to what you were listening to (and maybe less if the listening was through an algorithmic playlist)
- sales of downloads and physical media
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I used a Norwegian open-source tool to analyze my old Spotify data as a customer.
I don't use Spotify anymore, but I can announce that of all the money I ever paid them, approx. 5% went to the artists I listened to.
That is a pretty insane transfer of wealth from the bottom / middle to the top if you ask me.
I already knew Spotify is a big scam for those not at the top, but seeing the numbers still gives me a bodily reaction.
@lislegaard
It's sad they didn't distribute according to users' streams. That perhaps would have made it valuable for independent artists to have a presence.Now they aren't any better than any local royalty organisation using crude chart stats to redistribute the fees, or even worse with their AI stance.
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Unlike Google to shut a service down.
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I used a Norwegian open-source tool to analyze my old Spotify data as a customer.
I don't use Spotify anymore, but I can announce that of all the money I ever paid them, approx. 5% went to the artists I listened to.
That is a pretty insane transfer of wealth from the bottom / middle to the top if you ask me.
I already knew Spotify is a big scam for those not at the top, but seeing the numbers still gives me a bodily reaction.
@lislegaard or you could have asked any Norwegian musician.
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@firn @lislegaard many years ago I had children, so I'm getting unsolicited cat pics for the rest of my days on earth.
@groot @firn @lislegaard can a cat pic ever be unsolicited. We all secretly want them, even if not spoken.
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I used a Norwegian open-source tool to analyze my old Spotify data as a customer.
I don't use Spotify anymore, but I can announce that of all the money I ever paid them, approx. 5% went to the artists I listened to.
That is a pretty insane transfer of wealth from the bottom / middle to the top if you ask me.
I already knew Spotify is a big scam for those not at the top, but seeing the numbers still gives me a bodily reaction.
@lislegaard Could you provide the name of this tool?
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I used a Norwegian open-source tool to analyze my old Spotify data as a customer.
I don't use Spotify anymore, but I can announce that of all the money I ever paid them, approx. 5% went to the artists I listened to.
That is a pretty insane transfer of wealth from the bottom / middle to the top if you ask me.
I already knew Spotify is a big scam for those not at the top, but seeing the numbers still gives me a bodily reaction.
@lislegaard Yet most people seem to not want to go through the hassle of moving.
Most people would probably save money buying music from the artist directly with a one time payment. You pay less, artist get more.
But, convenience...
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I used a Norwegian open-source tool to analyze my old Spotify data as a customer.
I don't use Spotify anymore, but I can announce that of all the money I ever paid them, approx. 5% went to the artists I listened to.
That is a pretty insane transfer of wealth from the bottom / middle to the top if you ask me.
I already knew Spotify is a big scam for those not at the top, but seeing the numbers still gives me a bodily reaction.
@lislegaard thieves are what they are
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I used a Norwegian open-source tool to analyze my old Spotify data as a customer.
I don't use Spotify anymore, but I can announce that of all the money I ever paid them, approx. 5% went to the artists I listened to.
That is a pretty insane transfer of wealth from the bottom / middle to the top if you ask me.
I already knew Spotify is a big scam for those not at the top, but seeing the numbers still gives me a bodily reaction.
@lislegaard It's 100x more ethical to pirate all your music and give $10 per month to a random musician you like, than subscribe to a music streamer.
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I used a Norwegian open-source tool to analyze my old Spotify data as a customer.
I don't use Spotify anymore, but I can announce that of all the money I ever paid them, approx. 5% went to the artists I listened to.
That is a pretty insane transfer of wealth from the bottom / middle to the top if you ask me.
I already knew Spotify is a big scam for those not at the top, but seeing the numbers still gives me a bodily reaction.
@lislegaard @pluralistic Any chance you could share a link to the tool? I've long given up on Spotify and now purchase through Bandcamp etc but I've always tried to illustrate this particular issue with friends who still continue to use Spotify and it would really help...
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@lislegaard @pluralistic Any chance you could share a link to the tool? I've long given up on Spotify and now purchase through Bandcamp etc but I've always tried to illustrate this particular issue with friends who still continue to use Spotify and it would really help...
https://banjohans.github.io/Spotify-Unwrapped/
"I've long given up on Spotify and now purchase through Bandcamp etc"
same! definitly the way! + i also buy some physical media at shows and in small record shops when i am on vacation
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https://banjohans.github.io/Spotify-Unwrapped/
"I've long given up on Spotify and now purchase through Bandcamp etc"
same! definitly the way! + i also buy some physical media at shows and in small record shops when i am on vacation
@lislegaard @pluralistic Thank you so much! Fingers crossed it'll jolt a few people into rethinking how they listen...
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@lislegaard @pluralistic Thank you so much! Fingers crossed it'll jolt a few people into rethinking how they listen...
yeah it is weird thing to tell people since music is such an emotional personal thing. almost like saying their best friend / personal hero is a creep when they get drunk or something. instant denial or full sadness.
i am moderating a panel about this during the second year of oslo's big tech gotta go-festival later this year. will be interesting to see what reaction these numbers get.
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@lislegaard Could you provide the name of this tool?
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I used a Norwegian open-source tool to analyze my old Spotify data as a customer.
I don't use Spotify anymore, but I can announce that of all the money I ever paid them, approx. 5% went to the artists I listened to.
That is a pretty insane transfer of wealth from the bottom / middle to the top if you ask me.
I already knew Spotify is a big scam for those not at the top, but seeing the numbers still gives me a bodily reaction.
@lislegaard It makes no sense that the percentage of revenue should change based on the popularity of a particular artist. I think all companies should be transparent about their revenue split, and whenever they aren’t, I presume it’s malicious.
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@lislegaard It makes no sense that the percentage of revenue should change based on the popularity of a particular artist. I think all companies should be transparent about their revenue split, and whenever they aren’t, I presume it’s malicious.
yup! still we as a society got conned into using it! but it should be regulated. same with the rest of big tech, but we'll see what happens. maybe we see a split where only major label artists and slop is on the big streamers and all independent music is elsewhere. but it has been 20 years of this shit company now...
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yup! still we as a society got conned into using it! but it should be regulated. same with the rest of big tech, but we'll see what happens. maybe we see a split where only major label artists and slop is on the big streamers and all independent music is elsewhere. but it has been 20 years of this shit company now...
@lislegaard hopefully the answer is decentralization, more drm free content on indie websites, and direct to creator revenue. So much of the current ecosystem is based around the presumption of “protecting” revenue (from piracy, misattribution, etc.) but if 95% is going to the middlemen, how much is actually being protected? I’d rather build a better experience for my fans and make providing support as frictionless as possible.
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@lislegaard hopefully the answer is decentralization, more drm free content on indie websites, and direct to creator revenue. So much of the current ecosystem is based around the presumption of “protecting” revenue (from piracy, misattribution, etc.) but if 95% is going to the middlemen, how much is actually being protected? I’d rather build a better experience for my fans and make providing support as frictionless as possible.
yeah and in this case "the middlemen" is even other (super commercial) artists, so it is even weirder than we are used to.
i have some hope of the new generation learning about this stuff before they have gotten to tired to do something else and simply learn about files, maybe get a music player as a "symbol of coolness" or mobile os isn't just a duopoly in the future etc.
if you have to stream the road to bad is easy to end up in. if you can deal with files, you are free.
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