So I’m stuck.
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@partim Now just left Sens. Eurostar to BXL, IC to Liege, then Drielanden to Maastricht.
@jon The 11:51 Eurostar goes to Liège. Maybe you can beg your way around the transfer in Brussels.
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Ah
Pretty much all the Eurostar trains to Bruxelles are sold out
@jon FWIW the amendment the senate voted through requires TOCs to accommodate delayed passengers _even if there are no seats_. unclear if it applies to international trips too. iirc coming into effect late 2027
« En cas d’absence de place disponible dans cet autre train, le voyageur se voit proposer de monter à bord, sans garantie de place assise, sous réserve du respect des obligations de sécurité incombant à l’entreprise ferroviaire concernée. »
https://www.senat.fr/amendements/2025-2026/524/Amdt_119.html
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@jon The 11:51 Eurostar goes to Liège. Maybe you can beg your way around the transfer in Brussels.
@partim That's the only hope I think! But it is sold out... Let's see how forgiving they are of a problem SNCF caused!
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Meanwhile I am sort of moving past Sens, adding extra delay
Does SNCF possibly think we might want to know what the hell is going on?
No! That would be far too much effort!
@jon you assume the SNCF knows what is going on
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Meanwhile I am sort of moving past Sens, adding extra delay
Does SNCF possibly think we might want to know what the hell is going on?
No! That would be far too much effort!
@jon kann das sein, dass sie,als,Staatsbahn den Kunden*Service nicht so ernst nimmt?
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@jon you assume the SNCF knows what is going on
@bovine3dom Based on what I have just seen, they knew *precisely* what was going on. Run on sight past Sens and the accident site just north of it, and then run normally. Which they could have communicated!
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@bovine3dom Based on what I have just seen, they knew *precisely* what was going on. Run on sight past Sens and the accident site just north of it, and then run normally. Which they could have communicated!
@jon I've read enough regulator reports to know that SNCF trains often run on sight past accidents because the driver realised it would be insane not to rather than because they have been told to do anything
but I do agree the SNCF is terrible at communicating what it does know.
Yesterday there were works on Transilien past Melun. RATP claimed no trains were running. SNCF claimed trains were running, but each train had a warning saying no trains were running. Au final il y avait des trains...
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@partim That's the only hope I think! But it is sold out... Let's see how forgiving they are of a problem SNCF caused!
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Meanwhile I am sort of moving past Sens, adding extra delay
Does SNCF possibly think we might want to know what the hell is going on?
No! That would be far too much effort!
And it is at moments like this that you realise that
COMPULSORY RESERVATION TRAINS ARE SHIT
I will happily stand the whole way from Paris to Liège, because better that than not getting there at all
But as the Eurostar is compulsory reservation I am likely not allowed on it
My need to get to my destination is higher than the mild inconvenience to some other passenger if I am standing beside them in an aisle
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And it is at moments like this that you realise that
COMPULSORY RESERVATION TRAINS ARE SHIT
I will happily stand the whole way from Paris to Liège, because better that than not getting there at all
But as the Eurostar is compulsory reservation I am likely not allowed on it
My need to get to my destination is higher than the mild inconvenience to some other passenger if I am standing beside them in an aisle
@jon or even just setting up camp on the floor. I’ve done that when desperate to get somewhere or when Avantis service fell apart.
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@jon or even just setting up camp on the floor. I’ve done that when desperate to get somewhere or when Avantis service fell apart.
@technicalotter @jon Yeah, just sit on the floor like it's Germany.
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@jon FWIW the amendment the senate voted through requires TOCs to accommodate delayed passengers _even if there are no seats_. unclear if it applies to international trips too. iirc coming into effect late 2027
« En cas d’absence de place disponible dans cet autre train, le voyageur se voit proposer de monter à bord, sans garantie de place assise, sous réserve du respect des obligations de sécurité incombant à l’entreprise ferroviaire concernée. »
https://www.senat.fr/amendements/2025-2026/524/Amdt_119.html
@bovine3dom @jon It wouldn't achieve much IMO:
- "sous réserve du respect des obligations de sécurité"
so SNCF could just claim every standing passenger is a breach of safety.
- This would be French law, not for cross-border journeys, so Eurostar could just tell the passengers to f*** off.
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@bovine3dom @jon It wouldn't achieve much IMO:
- "sous réserve du respect des obligations de sécurité" so SNCF could just claim every standing passenger is a breach of safety.
- This would be French law, not for cross-border journeys, so Eurostar could just tell the passengers to f*** off.@cycling_on_rails i am a hopeless optimist
i think they would at least have to write down somewhere that standing up is a breach of safety and then the senat could come back angrily and abolish the SNCF and we would all live happily ever after
technicolour eurostars yeah could be exempt. but it's a good precedent for getting it transposed into EU law...
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@partim Now just left Sens. Eurostar to BXL, IC to Liege, then Drielanden to Maastricht.
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And it is at moments like this that you realise that
COMPULSORY RESERVATION TRAINS ARE SHIT
I will happily stand the whole way from Paris to Liège, because better that than not getting there at all
But as the Eurostar is compulsory reservation I am likely not allowed on it
My need to get to my destination is higher than the mild inconvenience to some other passenger if I am standing beside them in an aisle
@jon I once had to wait two additional hours in Paris when going from Cologne to Rouen: After the Eurostar to Paris broke and I already had hours delay SNCF didn't let me onto the connecting train to Rouen in St Lazare because I didn't have the printed "Hop on the next train" paper required for this. it forced me to go back to Gare du Nord to get the HOTNT from Eurostar. Thanks for nothing
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@jon I once had to wait two additional hours in Paris when going from Cologne to Rouen: After the Eurostar to Paris broke and I already had hours delay SNCF didn't let me onto the connecting train to Rouen in St Lazare because I didn't have the printed "Hop on the next train" paper required for this. it forced me to go back to Gare du Nord to get the HOTNT from Eurostar. Thanks for nothing
@jon People in Germany like to rant about Deutsche Bahn, they don't know SNCF/Eurostar ...
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@jon I once had to wait two additional hours in Paris when going from Cologne to Rouen: After the Eurostar to Paris broke and I already had hours delay SNCF didn't let me onto the connecting train to Rouen in St Lazare because I didn't have the printed "Hop on the next train" paper required for this. it forced me to go back to Gare du Nord to get the HOTNT from Eurostar. Thanks for nothing
@footils why do you matter? You’re a passenger. The railway would work better without you!
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@jon People in Germany like to rant about Deutsche Bahn, they don't know SNCF/Eurostar ...
@footils Right. Exactly. DB’s attitude is better at least.
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@technicalotter @jon Yeah, just sit on the floor like it's Germany.
@J2 average northern rail experience
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And it is at moments like this that you realise that
COMPULSORY RESERVATION TRAINS ARE SHIT
I will happily stand the whole way from Paris to Liège, because better that than not getting there at all
But as the Eurostar is compulsory reservation I am likely not allowed on it
My need to get to my destination is higher than the mild inconvenience to some other passenger if I am standing beside them in an aisle
@jon At some point it does become miserable - when people can't even get to their assigned seats or to the toilets/catering. But that's the British railway experience where any disruption gives you the "it's 1975 and this is the last helicopter out of Saigon" experience
