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  3. Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.

Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.

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  • vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV vicgrinberg@mastodon.social

    Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.

    So I will not. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.

    Because what we need now is hope (the kind of hope that makes you fight, not wait) and ideas, ideas for (small) things to do. And beauty and fun, to replenish.

    And because I can't deliver of the first two, I'll try for the later.

    elba013@muenchen.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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    #2

    @vicgrinberg I don't know either (https://muenchen.social/@elba013/117230333078309046).
    What I know: Writing to social media is insufficient.
    Look for any organisation, that works on small steps for a better world on an item, which you have some interest in, become a member, and best do some active work there.

    (Eventually I do not reach the right people here.)

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    • vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV vicgrinberg@mastodon.social

      Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.

      So I will not. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.

      Because what we need now is hope (the kind of hope that makes you fight, not wait) and ideas, ideas for (small) things to do. And beauty and fun, to replenish.

      And because I can't deliver of the first two, I'll try for the later.

      naturemc@mastodon.onlineN This user is from outside of this forum
      naturemc@mastodon.onlineN This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #3

      @vicgrinberg Thank you for this productive silence.
      I have problems with so many posts today in the tone ' I already told you' or playing the angry echo chamber for fascists' quotes.

      Instead of pure automatic reaction, we need more thoughtful action. We can become an echo chamber for the resisters, the people working for democracy, the 'good ones'.

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      • vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV vicgrinberg@mastodon.social

        Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.

        So I will not. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.

        Because what we need now is hope (the kind of hope that makes you fight, not wait) and ideas, ideas for (small) things to do. And beauty and fun, to replenish.

        And because I can't deliver of the first two, I'll try for the later.

        beeeff@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
        beeeff@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #4

        @vicgrinberg I have some thoughts about some small, easy wins. do you want to read them?
        also Beauty and fun I could probably scratch something together for.
        lemme know.

        you're Great.
        dont let yourself be convinced otherwise.
        many will benefit from leading those they feed off of (i.e. me, looks like you too) to believe they are weak.
        it simply isnt so.
        your Origins are Cosmic!
        you're literally part star!
        this is not pithy self help jargon.
        there is real Power in those who can See It.

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        • vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV vicgrinberg@mastodon.social

          Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.

          So I will not. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.

          Because what we need now is hope (the kind of hope that makes you fight, not wait) and ideas, ideas for (small) things to do. And beauty and fun, to replenish.

          And because I can't deliver of the first two, I'll try for the later.

          su_liam@mas.toS This user is from outside of this forum
          su_liam@mas.toS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          @vicgrinberg There’s also anger. Rage. But that needs breaks, so…🤷‍♂️

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          • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

            @vicgrinberg Thank you for this productive silence.
            I have problems with so many posts today in the tone ' I already told you' or playing the angry echo chamber for fascists' quotes.

            Instead of pure automatic reaction, we need more thoughtful action. We can become an echo chamber for the resisters, the people working for democracy, the 'good ones'.

            vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
            vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            @NatureMC yeah, I get why people need to get things out of their systems, but I realized I am hesitant to read and this is not what I need myself and that I truly feel it's just a doom spiral. Can't get even deeper into one, totally not productive.

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            • vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV vicgrinberg@mastodon.social

              Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.

              So I will not. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.

              Because what we need now is hope (the kind of hope that makes you fight, not wait) and ideas, ideas for (small) things to do. And beauty and fun, to replenish.

              And because I can't deliver of the first two, I'll try for the later.

              benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
              benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #7

              @vicgrinberg

              #vote

              especially you american assholes

              #fascism doesn't want you to vote

              and, in your mindless #cynicism and loser #perfectionism, you give them exactly what they want

              why?

              fucking pathetic

              of course you don't *only* vote

              because this is a war, and a vote is just one small tactic on one small battlefield

              but to ignore something so easy is just unfathomably stupid

              because you think a vote is some holy thing that reflects on your soul?

              😂

              that's SO DUMB

              it's just tactics

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              • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                @vicgrinberg

                #vote

                especially you american assholes

                #fascism doesn't want you to vote

                and, in your mindless #cynicism and loser #perfectionism, you give them exactly what they want

                why?

                fucking pathetic

                of course you don't *only* vote

                because this is a war, and a vote is just one small tactic on one small battlefield

                but to ignore something so easy is just unfathomably stupid

                because you think a vote is some holy thing that reflects on your soul?

                😂

                that's SO DUMB

                it's just tactics

                vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                #8

                @benroyce uhm, I'm not US-ian so I'm not sure why the tirade to American voters in my comments at a point where I am talking about focusing on the positive and hopeful things.

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                • vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV vicgrinberg@mastodon.social

                  @benroyce uhm, I'm not US-ian so I'm not sure why the tirade to American voters in my comments at a point where I am talking about focusing on the positive and hopeful things.

                  benroyce@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #9

                  @vicgrinberg

                  you've encountered a reply guy

                  me

                  you had a nice post and i hijacked it

                  i was completely aware of the faux pas before i did so

                  i did it anyway

                  i do not fucking care

                  because i'm angry as hell

                  anger is as important as hope, and is not mutually exclusive

                  positivity and hope alone will not beat fascism

                  people need to get fucking angry

                  i assert that as a message just as important as your own

                  you do not have to like my addendum and how you handle it is entirely up to you

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                  • beeeff@mastodon.socialB beeeff@mastodon.social

                    @vicgrinberg I have some thoughts about some small, easy wins. do you want to read them?
                    also Beauty and fun I could probably scratch something together for.
                    lemme know.

                    you're Great.
                    dont let yourself be convinced otherwise.
                    many will benefit from leading those they feed off of (i.e. me, looks like you too) to believe they are weak.
                    it simply isnt so.
                    your Origins are Cosmic!
                    you're literally part star!
                    this is not pithy self help jargon.
                    there is real Power in those who can See It.

                    vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                    vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
                    vicgrinberg@mastodon.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #10

                    @beeeff thank you for asking. I'm fine today, but please do post the small wins for your followers whenever you feel the inspiration. Small wins matter 💚

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                    • su_liam@mas.toS su_liam@mas.to

                      @vicgrinberg There’s also anger. Rage. But that needs breaks, so…🤷‍♂️

                      vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #11

                      @su_liam yeah, and also a lot of the anger and rage seems to me right (in the special German situation) just to result in a doom spiral. I don't want to contribute to this or to be pulled into it.

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                      • vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV vicgrinberg@mastodon.social

                        Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.

                        So I will not. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.

                        Because what we need now is hope (the kind of hope that makes you fight, not wait) and ideas, ideas for (small) things to do. And beauty and fun, to replenish.

                        And because I can't deliver of the first two, I'll try for the later.

                        filobus@sociale.networkF This user is from outside of this forum
                        filobus@sociale.networkF This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #12

                        @vicgrinberg I think that you don't need hope to fight
                        It's better to have hope, certainly, and it's not bad to find hope
                        You can fight in despair, and even when you don't have any chance
                        But I wasn't thinking about that
                        You can also fight if you have no hope no despair, you don't know what will happen, but you choose to go on anyway. Because that's the right thing to do. And because that's the way you are. And that's your life
                        So, you're right, but maybe we are not able to fight anymore

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                        • filobus@sociale.networkF filobus@sociale.network

                          @vicgrinberg I think that you don't need hope to fight
                          It's better to have hope, certainly, and it's not bad to find hope
                          You can fight in despair, and even when you don't have any chance
                          But I wasn't thinking about that
                          You can also fight if you have no hope no despair, you don't know what will happen, but you choose to go on anyway. Because that's the right thing to do. And because that's the way you are. And that's your life
                          So, you're right, but maybe we are not able to fight anymore

                          filobus@sociale.networkF This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #13

                          @vicgrinberg (I don't know you well, so maybe you fought all your life: sorry, nothing personal, only a generic message)

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                          • filobus@sociale.networkF filobus@sociale.network

                            @vicgrinberg (I don't know you well, so maybe you fought all your life: sorry, nothing personal, only a generic message)

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                            #14

                            @filobus I appreciate the addendum.

                            I think we are talking about different things - there certainly is fighting even without hope for some. But this does not mean that we, as a society, do not need the kind of hope (or however one can call it) that makes one stand up and fight right now (I'm also not sure you are familiar with German politics that triggered that post and very much defines the "we" in this context).

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @vicgrinberg

                              you've encountered a reply guy

                              me

                              you had a nice post and i hijacked it

                              i was completely aware of the faux pas before i did so

                              i did it anyway

                              i do not fucking care

                              because i'm angry as hell

                              anger is as important as hope, and is not mutually exclusive

                              positivity and hope alone will not beat fascism

                              people need to get fucking angry

                              i assert that as a message just as important as your own

                              you do not have to like my addendum and how you handle it is entirely up to you

                              tokensane@mastodon.me.ukT This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #15

                              @benroyce @vicgrinberg OK, so here's another reply guy. I don't normally, but I'll make an exception here.

                              Sure, you're angry. There's a lot to be angry about. But you won't achieve anything if you just spread that anger around at random. You need to identify a target and focus your anger on that.

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                              • vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV vicgrinberg@mastodon.social

                                @filobus I appreciate the addendum.

                                I think we are talking about different things - there certainly is fighting even without hope for some. But this does not mean that we, as a society, do not need the kind of hope (or however one can call it) that makes one stand up and fight right now (I'm also not sure you are familiar with German politics that triggered that post and very much defines the "we" in this context).

                                filobus@sociale.networkF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #16

                                @vicgrinberg it's better to have hope than not, I agree
                                And it's better to fight with hope than rage or fear, they make you fight too, but often with no clear thinking and regrets
                                But what we need more (I think) is to work and fight if needed with no need of heroes, no need of great hope
                                Because that'd mean a more civilized society. Maybe stubborn, but we'd have continuous work for the right things, not a reaction, every day
                                (I'm European, so we includes me, and Italian, so it includes me twice)

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                                • vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV vicgrinberg@mastodon.social

                                  Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.

                                  So I will not. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.

                                  Because what we need now is hope (the kind of hope that makes you fight, not wait) and ideas, ideas for (small) things to do. And beauty and fun, to replenish.

                                  And because I can't deliver of the first two, I'll try for the later.

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                                  #17

                                  @vicgrinberg It's true - arguing with democracy can feel futile at times. And who knows, maybe that's its point.

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                                  • tokensane@mastodon.me.ukT tokensane@mastodon.me.uk

                                    @benroyce @vicgrinberg OK, so here's another reply guy. I don't normally, but I'll make an exception here.

                                    Sure, you're angry. There's a lot to be angry about. But you won't achieve anything if you just spread that anger around at random. You need to identify a target and focus your anger on that.

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                                    #18

                                    @tokensane @vicgrinberg

                                    i think that people who are not angry are the problem. and i will target them

                                    i despise "polite society"

                                    i consider "polite society" to be part of the problem

                                    "polite society" will sit and smile while the most vile lie is said serenely. because it's polite

                                    then clutch their pearls in horror when someone says "fuck you!" appropriately in response

                                    this helps #fascism

                                    fuck polite society

                                    fuck everyone who is more concerned with decorum than the stakes we are facing

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                                    • tokensane@mastodon.me.ukT tokensane@mastodon.me.uk

                                      @benroyce @vicgrinberg OK, so here's another reply guy. I don't normally, but I'll make an exception here.

                                      Sure, you're angry. There's a lot to be angry about. But you won't achieve anything if you just spread that anger around at random. You need to identify a target and focus your anger on that.

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                                      #19

                                      @tokensane no need to engage, he has clearly shown that his main interests is screaming and rage-baiting, I just want my ppl to be warned about him.

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                                      • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                                        @tokensane @vicgrinberg

                                        i think that people who are not angry are the problem. and i will target them

                                        i despise "polite society"

                                        i consider "polite society" to be part of the problem

                                        "polite society" will sit and smile while the most vile lie is said serenely. because it's polite

                                        then clutch their pearls in horror when someone says "fuck you!" appropriately in response

                                        this helps #fascism

                                        fuck polite society

                                        fuck everyone who is more concerned with decorum than the stakes we are facing

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                                        #20

                                        @tokensane @vicgrinberg

                                        finally this is an open public social media forum

                                        people introduce topics and discuss them

                                        this is not an intimate conversation

                                        if it were, i would be wrong

                                        but it isn't, so i'm not

                                        in fact i consider it rather controlling to treat a public comment as if it were wrong on the basis of the lie that it should abide by the standards of a private conversation between friends

                                        there's no friends here, that's for damn sure

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                                        • vicgrinberg@mastodon.socialV vicgrinberg@mastodon.social

                                          @tokensane no need to engage, he has clearly shown that his main interests is screaming and rage-baiting, I just want my ppl to be warned about him.

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                                          #21

                                          @vicgrinberg @tokensane

                                          good

                                          keep up the warning

                                          maybe more people will see the thread and how much you don't get the stakes here

                                          hope is important. hope is right

                                          hope is not mutually exclusive with anger

                                          fascism is rising in europe. i am a warning from the usa

                                          you don't like anger?

                                          then you're not going to defeat fascism

                                          and if you try to change the topic from the one you introduced to a controlling desire to tone police, that's just more demonstration you don't get the stakes

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