Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.
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@vicgrinberg I think that you don't need hope to fight
It's better to have hope, certainly, and it's not bad to find hope
You can fight in despair, and even when you don't have any chance
But I wasn't thinking about that
You can also fight if you have no hope no despair, you don't know what will happen, but you choose to go on anyway. Because that's the right thing to do. And because that's the way you are. And that's your life
So, you're right, but maybe we are not able to fight anymore@vicgrinberg (I don't know you well, so maybe you fought all your life: sorry, nothing personal, only a generic message)
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@vicgrinberg (I don't know you well, so maybe you fought all your life: sorry, nothing personal, only a generic message)
@filobus I appreciate the addendum.
I think we are talking about different things - there certainly is fighting even without hope for some. But this does not mean that we, as a society, do not need the kind of hope (or however one can call it) that makes one stand up and fight right now (I'm also not sure you are familiar with German politics that triggered that post and very much defines the "we" in this context).
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you've encountered a reply guy
me
you had a nice post and i hijacked it
i was completely aware of the faux pas before i did so
i did it anyway
i do not fucking care
because i'm angry as hell
anger is as important as hope, and is not mutually exclusive
positivity and hope alone will not beat fascism
people need to get fucking angry
i assert that as a message just as important as your own
you do not have to like my addendum and how you handle it is entirely up to you
@benroyce @vicgrinberg OK, so here's another reply guy. I don't normally, but I'll make an exception here.
Sure, you're angry. There's a lot to be angry about. But you won't achieve anything if you just spread that anger around at random. You need to identify a target and focus your anger on that.
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@filobus I appreciate the addendum.
I think we are talking about different things - there certainly is fighting even without hope for some. But this does not mean that we, as a society, do not need the kind of hope (or however one can call it) that makes one stand up and fight right now (I'm also not sure you are familiar with German politics that triggered that post and very much defines the "we" in this context).
@vicgrinberg it's better to have hope than not, I agree
And it's better to fight with hope than rage or fear, they make you fight too, but often with no clear thinking and regrets
But what we need more (I think) is to work and fight if needed with no need of heroes, no need of great hope
Because that'd mean a more civilized society. Maybe stubborn, but we'd have continuous work for the right things, not a reaction, every day
(I'm European, so we includes me, and Italian, so it includes me twice) -
Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.
So I will not. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.
Because what we need now is hope (the kind of hope that makes you fight, not wait) and ideas, ideas for (small) things to do. And beauty and fun, to replenish.
And because I can't deliver of the first two, I'll try for the later.
@vicgrinberg It's true - arguing with democracy can feel futile at times. And who knows, maybe that's its point.
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@benroyce @vicgrinberg OK, so here's another reply guy. I don't normally, but I'll make an exception here.
Sure, you're angry. There's a lot to be angry about. But you won't achieve anything if you just spread that anger around at random. You need to identify a target and focus your anger on that.
i think that people who are not angry are the problem. and i will target them
i despise "polite society"
i consider "polite society" to be part of the problem
"polite society" will sit and smile while the most vile lie is said serenely. because it's polite
then clutch their pearls in horror when someone says "fuck you!" appropriately in response
this helps #fascism
fuck polite society
fuck everyone who is more concerned with decorum than the stakes we are facing
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@benroyce @vicgrinberg OK, so here's another reply guy. I don't normally, but I'll make an exception here.
Sure, you're angry. There's a lot to be angry about. But you won't achieve anything if you just spread that anger around at random. You need to identify a target and focus your anger on that.
@tokensane no need to engage, he has clearly shown that his main interests is screaming and rage-baiting, I just want my ppl to be warned about him.
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i think that people who are not angry are the problem. and i will target them
i despise "polite society"
i consider "polite society" to be part of the problem
"polite society" will sit and smile while the most vile lie is said serenely. because it's polite
then clutch their pearls in horror when someone says "fuck you!" appropriately in response
this helps #fascism
fuck polite society
fuck everyone who is more concerned with decorum than the stakes we are facing
finally this is an open public social media forum
people introduce topics and discuss them
this is not an intimate conversation
if it were, i would be wrong
but it isn't, so i'm not
in fact i consider it rather controlling to treat a public comment as if it were wrong on the basis of the lie that it should abide by the standards of a private conversation between friends
there's no friends here, that's for damn sure
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@tokensane no need to engage, he has clearly shown that his main interests is screaming and rage-baiting, I just want my ppl to be warned about him.
good
keep up the warning
maybe more people will see the thread and how much you don't get the stakes here
hope is important. hope is right
hope is not mutually exclusive with anger
fascism is rising in europe. i am a warning from the usa
you don't like anger?
then you're not going to defeat fascism
and if you try to change the topic from the one you introduced to a controlling desire to tone police, that's just more demonstration you don't get the stakes
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Between the last German elections and the impact of the Trump policies, I don't know how to write about things happening without sounding absolutely despairing on this world.
So I will not. I can't add anything that hasn't already been said.
Because what we need now is hope (the kind of hope that makes you fight, not wait) and ideas, ideas for (small) things to do. And beauty and fun, to replenish.
And because I can't deliver of the first two, I'll try for the later.
@vicgrinberg
There are 2 sentences, that might help you (or not), that actually have the same meaning."„Wenn ich wüsste, dass morgen die Welt unterginge, würde ich heute noch ein Apfelbäumchen pflanzen.“"
(https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luthers_Apfelb%C3%A4umchen)
"Keep Calm and Carry On"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_Calm_and_Carry_OnBoth originated during the 2.nd World War, one on the german side, the other on the british.
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