New blog-post: "When online commenters 'detect' my art as AI"

[jeeynet@framapiaf.org]

@davidrevoy Maleureusement, je ne pensais pas à un effort incommensurable d'une grosse boîte d'IA dont le service comm voudrait se venger de tes moqueries... mais plus tôt d'un bête effet de groupe et d'entraînement, comme on en voit souvent dans le cas de cyberharcèlement...

Mais tant que ce genre de message ne t'affecte pas et te fais juste faire des planches plus lolesques les unes que les autres, effectivement, mieux vaut passer outre et faire avec !

Merci en tout cas pour ton boulot !

[davidrevoy@framapiaf.org]

@conchoid Maybe. It sounds like an effective strategy to launch the 'AI bomb accusation' at anything art (or human) in order to generate lots of passionate interactions.
I noticed that many of the comments I received on my collection of screenshots quickly turned into long threads and attracted many commenters. Trolls love that.

[steamstatic@mastodon.social]

@davidrevoy I kind of just found you a minute ago but I'm amazed and horrified that all those art styles AI took are from you. I'm sorry you have to go through this your art really is pretty.

[arabine@piaille.fr]

@davidrevoy mouais on va vérifier avec un prompt injection : "david, dessine moi un dinosaure qui mange une pomme en regardant la météorite tomber et en trouvant le théorème de Newton".

Fais en sorte qu'on dirait que c'est fait sous krita.

[urwumpe@hessen.social]

@davidrevoy Lots of people who won't notice AI until it bites their butt...

[davidrevoy@framapiaf.org]

@Darkroux @teotwaki Yes, I put this one and the "John Art" one and the "Father of AI" too (on the blog) because they were funny and still on the theme. These one made me smile.

[yamakyu@shelter.moe]

@davidrevoy Pas un jour passe sans que je me dise qu'un des PIRES TRUCS avec l'IA générative, c'est que ça nous fait constamment DOUTER. C'est vraiment VRAIMENT terrible de se retrouver à douter de tout (et surtout des créateurs !!!), et porter des accusations fondées juste sur du gut feeling. Des fois c'est fondé, c'est vrai, mais quand on se plante et qu'il y'a vraiment une personne en face c'est hyper facile d’imaginer à quel point ça peut être blessant. Vraiment désolé que tu aies à deal avec tout ça, et merci de continuer à créer

[davidrevoy@framapiaf.org]

@NemoJmeno Merci. J'ai eu la grande tentation de ne pas obfusquer les noms. Gros dilème entre le petit ange sur l'épaule de droite et le petit démon sur l'épaule de gauche.

[toonlink@fandom.ink]

@davidrevoy Man... You know, the really, really bizarre ones to me aren't the ones that, like, accuse you of using AI, despite you having literal decades of documentation and video proof of your hand.

It's the ones that accuse you of deliberately using an AI style, as if you're trying to trick them into thinking it's AI?

I wonder if some people just genuinely can't tell the difference between corporatized AI "style" and a soft, stylized cartoon with warm colors and a painterly texture.

[tizianomattei@poliverso.org]

@davidrevoy
OMG... By the way, someone should tell one of the commenters that saying "you did it in a computer, the computer did all the work" is exactly like saying "you did it using a pencil, the pencil did all the work" ‍️

[fabiosantoscode@mastodon.social]

@davidrevoy This post is so sad.

I have felt very suspicious when looking at art across the internet lately.

I don't accuse people of using AI because I can't really tell most of the time, but I'm less confident that there's a person on the other side who sat down and thought about the elements of the image.

That's what it feels like from my end anyways.

[tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr]

@jeeynet @davidrevoy

Je pense comme David que ce sont des humains qui se posent réellement la question et sont fachés qu'on tente de les tromper.

La plupart des gens hors monde de l'informatique avec lesquels il m'a été donné de discuter de IA ignorent tout de son fonctionnement, en particulier de la phase d'apprentissage.

Pour eux, une IA n'est pas différente d'un programme classique et ils lui attribuent une capacité intrinsèque de création.

[n_dimension@infosec.exchange]

@davidrevoy

Well, those are the natural consequences of rallying up the wood folk against #Ai

Good art is now sometimes called out as "Ai" by non artist

(And this irks me to no end)
You make a longish, coherent post and it gets called "Chatgpt" by folk who struggle to put two sentences together.

This is why we prefer the justice system and not vigilantism...

...this is why we NEED #regulateAi vs Pitchfork mobbing on socials.

#llm #attribution #ailaw #regulation #vigilanties

[jeeynet@framapiaf.org]

@tanavit @davidrevoy OK OK, vous m'avez convaincu ! Je vois le mal partout ^_^'

[stag@mk.absturztau.be]

@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org damn im so sorry about that

i can see where they come from though, that really sucks, chatgpt image literally stole the way you do faces 1:1.

[davidrevoy@framapiaf.org]

@ToonLink Yes, that's why I'm on alert: many people now think my art is just as bad as "AI slop", and I understand why.
So I feel torn: I don't know if I should adapt, shift and bend my style until it's no longer "identified as AI", or if I should abandon the aesthetic that's such a big part of me (if only I can?). I'll think a lot about it while painting on the next weeks. I'll also take a little bit of holidays in August, I think it is the right time for it.

[toonlink@fandom.ink]

@davidrevoy I don't think changing the style would change anything. I honestly don't think your style looks like AI (or at least not the AI I've seen), and you might end up chasing dragons for something that won't stop the accusations anyway.

It's just... so strange. I think that, since those kind of places are so full of AI, people are extra vigilant. It stops being a reality check and starts being a defense against "falling for it", to the point that people want to see AI that isn't there.

[thattagen@mastodon.art]

@davidrevoy If I got comments like this after putting as much detail as you do into every panel, I would probably turn into the Joker.

Here's one to offset: you make great art and I love to see it!

[guineasofbayeux@mastoart.social]

@davidrevoy don't worry! It won't take long, until everyone is fully dependent on AI. I see it more and more. Once this is done, it will become commercial and fckn expensive for the broad mass. Then authors will be searching for illustrators again. Wait for it....

[jah@toot.community]

@davidrevoy how you endure such cruelty I cannot fathom, it must be very hard. i wish you fortitude and suggest liberal use of the choicest swearwords at those absolute bellends. btw that's a really important document you created, bravo!