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Welcome to today's thread - 2025 #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Day 12 - Bruxelles - Gent - Eeklo - Brugge

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Welcome to today's thread - 2025 #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Day 12 - Bruxelles - Gent - Eeklo - Brugge

    Today's new borders:
    Former 1000mm tramway - Watervliet 🇧🇪 - Ijzendijke 🇳🇱
    Former 1000mm tramway - Maldegem 🇧🇪 - Eede 🇳🇱
    Former 1000mm tramway - Middelburg 🇧🇪 - Aardenburg 🇳🇱

    Borders map, inc. borders re-visited:
    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#12/51.2514/3.5834

    Today's trains on the routes map:
    https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988?scaleControl=false&miniMap=false&scrollWheelZoom=true&zoomControl=true&editMode=disabled&moreControl=true&searchControl=null&tilelayersControl=null&embedControl=null&datalayersControl=true&onLoadPanel=datalayers&captionBar=false&captionMenus=true&datalayers=e7bf85fc-fb3a-4772-86fc-e8d083d6a40c#10/51.0336/3.8301

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    Today is a bit silly…

    I need to get to Brugge for a meeting at the College of Europe, but why not take in some extra borders on the way – including what will be the 400th border of the #CrossBorderRail project. But none of the three former cross border tramways I will visit has any real chance of re-activation.

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      Today is a bit silly…

      I need to get to Brugge for a meeting at the College of Europe, but why not take in some extra borders on the way – including what will be the 400th border of the #CrossBorderRail project. But none of the three former cross border tramways I will visit has any real chance of re-activation.

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      #3

      Here’s today’s #CrossBorderRail intro video. Today is all about getting to 400 borders 😀 https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/uU49DsPkV7KSKwcCh1E8a1

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        Here’s today’s #CrossBorderRail intro video. Today is all about getting to 400 borders 😀 https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/uU49DsPkV7KSKwcCh1E8a1

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        #4

        Foul cycle ride from near Schuman to Bruxelles Midi. Car went through a red light, businessman who couldn’t control the speed of his e-bike cut me up, braked too hard, and bumped into another cyclist. And Brussels cyclists are taking on the traits of Brussels car drivers: selfish and odd, unexpected behaviours. #CrossBorderRail

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          Foul cycle ride from near Schuman to Bruxelles Midi. Car went through a red light, businessman who couldn’t control the speed of his e-bike cut me up, braked too hard, and bumped into another cyclist. And Brussels cyclists are taking on the traits of Brussels car drivers: selfish and odd, unexpected behaviours. #CrossBorderRail

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          Interesting comment from another cyclist yesterday in the EU quarter. I was unlocking my tiny folding Birdy next to his massive electric long tail. “Is that electric?” he asked me about my bike. “No” I replied. “Oh you can’t be from Brussels then!” As if no one in their right mind would ride anything else. #CrossBorderRail

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            Interesting comment from another cyclist yesterday in the EU quarter. I was unlocking my tiny folding Birdy next to his massive electric long tail. “Is that electric?” he asked me about my bike. “No” I replied. “Oh you can’t be from Brussels then!” As if no one in their right mind would ride anything else. #CrossBorderRail

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            #6

            #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 38 of 74
            IC 430
            09:38 Bruxelles Midi - Gent St Pieters 10:06
            SNCB

            Train type: 2x Siemens 18 locomotive top-tailing 6 double deck carriages
            ⚡️ (3kV dc)
            🚲: ✅ (loads of space)
            🦽: ✅ (needs train manager to open a special door)
            🛜: ⛔️
            🍽️: ⛔️
            🧳: 😐 (hit and miss - get the right carriage and it’s ok as double deck designs go)
            🧽: 🙂

            🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 38 of 74
              IC 430
              09:38 Bruxelles Midi - Gent St Pieters 10:06
              SNCB

              Train type: 2x Siemens 18 locomotive top-tailing 6 double deck carriages
              ⚡️ (3kV dc)
              🚲: ✅ (loads of space)
              🦽: ✅ (needs train manager to open a special door)
              🛜: ⛔️
              🍽️: ⛔️
              🧳: 😐 (hit and miss - get the right carriage and it’s ok as double deck designs go)
              🧽: 🙂

              🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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              #7

              (Stats from Central where I’d intended boarding it)

              IC 430
              09:28 Bruxelles Central - Gent St Pieters 10:06

              Distance: 51.8km
              Average speed: 82km/h

              2 stops:
              Bruxelles Midi
              Gent St Pieters

              This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#11/50.9411/4.0121

              #CrossBorderRail

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                (Stats from Central where I’d intended boarding it)

                IC 430
                09:28 Bruxelles Central - Gent St Pieters 10:06

                Distance: 51.8km
                Average speed: 82km/h

                2 stops:
                Bruxelles Midi
                Gent St Pieters

                This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#11/50.9411/4.0121

                #CrossBorderRail

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                #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 39 of 74
                S51 759
                10:14 Gent St Pieters - Eeklo 10:49
                SNCB

                Train type: Alstom AR41 DMU, 2x 2 carriages
                ⛽️
                🚲: ✅
                🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
                🛜: ⛔️
                🍽️: ⛔️
                🧳: ☹️ (high steps, some doors narrow, not great once you’re in either)
                🧽: 🙂

                🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 39 of 74
                  S51 759
                  10:14 Gent St Pieters - Eeklo 10:49
                  SNCB

                  Train type: Alstom AR41 DMU, 2x 2 carriages
                  ⛽️
                  🚲: ✅
                  🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
                  🛜: ⛔️
                  🍽️: ⛔️
                  🧳: ☹️ (high steps, some doors narrow, not great once you’re in either)
                  🧽: 🙂

                  🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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                  #9

                  S51 759
                  10:14 Gent St Pieters - Eeklo 10:49

                  Distance: 26.5km
                  Average speed: 45km/h

                  7 stops:
                  Gentbrugge
                  Gent-Dampoort
                  Wondelgem
                  Evergem
                  Sleidinge
                  Waarschoot
                  Eeklo

                  This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/51.1052/3.6663

                  #CrossBorderRail

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    S51 759
                    10:14 Gent St Pieters - Eeklo 10:49

                    Distance: 26.5km
                    Average speed: 45km/h

                    7 stops:
                    Gentbrugge
                    Gent-Dampoort
                    Wondelgem
                    Evergem
                    Sleidinge
                    Waarschoot
                    Eeklo

                    This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/51.1052/3.6663

                    #CrossBorderRail

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                    #10

                    These AR41 DMUs are among the weirdest rolling stock acquisitions in modern times. Built 2000-2002, they’re high floor (when low floor DMUs already existed), have few doors (but serve routes with many stops). The motor vibrations are quite bad too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Railways_Class_41?wprov=sfti1#

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      These AR41 DMUs are among the weirdest rolling stock acquisitions in modern times. Built 2000-2002, they’re high floor (when low floor DMUs already existed), have few doors (but serve routes with many stops). The motor vibrations are quite bad too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Railways_Class_41?wprov=sfti1#

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                      And the high floor DMUs work especially well with the platforms along the route that weren’t renovated, so are about 30cm above the rail

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        And the high floor DMUs work especially well with the platforms along the route that weren’t renovated, so are about 30cm above the rail

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                        #12

                        Cashier at Lidl, Eeklo gets arsey that I have three bike panniers with me in the store

                        Do tell me in our car dominated shopping culture how I am supposed to do any different? I can’t leave valuables on the bike!

                        Edit: to be clear - the cashier wasn’t annoyed by panniers per se, but wanted to search them to check I wasn’t shoplifting.

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          Cashier at Lidl, Eeklo gets arsey that I have three bike panniers with me in the store

                          Do tell me in our car dominated shopping culture how I am supposed to do any different? I can’t leave valuables on the bike!

                          Edit: to be clear - the cashier wasn’t annoyed by panniers per se, but wanted to search them to check I wasn’t shoplifting.

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                          #13

                          Ok. Destination 400 #CrossBorderRail borders!

                          #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Bike 10 of 17
                          Eeklo - Brugge, via 3 former tramway borders

                          Distance: 53.7km
                          Est. duration: 4:00

                          This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/51.2303/3.4099

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            Ok. Destination 400 #CrossBorderRail borders!

                            #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Bike 10 of 17
                            Eeklo - Brugge, via 3 former tramway borders

                            Distance: 53.7km
                            Est. duration: 4:00

                            This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/51.2303/3.4099

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                            #14

                            So @Pepijn wanted pics of grey Flanders. Voila! #CrossBorderRail

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