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  3. It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

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  • Z zerodowntime@mastodon.social

    @cliffle I got rid of Google Maps today. I believe this was the final nail in the coffin for my decades long year relationship with Google. Now to explore the options... 😊

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    #15

    @zerodowntime @cliffle , never had the app because…well…because it’s Google. 🤷‍♀️

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    • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

      It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

      ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

      Every response is a choice.

      j2kun@mathstodon.xyzJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #16

      @cliffle Who specifically said they are doing it because they're following orders?

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      • tknarr@mstdn.socialT tknarr@mstdn.social

        @cliffle Check how fast USGS NGIS altered the name. That's where Google gets the names from for maps displayed for US users.

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        #17

        @tknarr @cliffle this is true, and the original post smells like disinformation.

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        • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

          It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

          ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

          Every response is a choice.

          kleen@sfba.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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          #18

          @cliffle didn’t Google still have that report an error thing for maps? We know what to do then.

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          • maya_b@hachyderm.ioM maya_b@hachyderm.io

            @cliffle

            it's almost like they're daring Canada and Canadians to abandon and boycott their plattorm

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            #19

            @maya_b @cliffle I see too many businesses with gmail accounts and almost every Canadian business website has Google Maps embedded on their Contact Us page

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            • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

              It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

              ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

              Every response is a choice.

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              #20

              @cliffle The choice is "join the illegal fascist regime to make more money".

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              • antopatriarca@mathstodon.xyzA antopatriarca@mathstodon.xyz

                @maya_b @cliffle I thought the name you see depended on your IP as I still see both the gulf and the lake using the old name and I assumed it was because I’m in Italy. Do Canadians (or Mexican in case of the gulf) see the Trump BS name? That would be some stupidity from Google.

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                #21

                @antopatriarca @maya_b @cliffle Google implemented this non law so well that some Canadian government sites didn't show Lake Ontario any more.

                https://hsnl.social/@eloy/117187268076254760

                Google compliance to actual law is, like always, glacial.

                https://hachyderm.io/@cliffle/117186781798605597

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                • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                  It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                  ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                  Every response is a choice.

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                  #22

                  @cliffle

                  Everything Google does is intended to curry the favor of oil oligarchs, petrostate despots, and their financiers.

                  https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/15/major-investor-calls-on-google-owner-to-aggressively-cut-staff-and-pay

                  https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/billionaire-hohn-more-google-layoffs-17736530.php

                  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/heres-a-look-at-who.html

                  https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligencer-trump-mbs-meeting-brings-ai-money-2025-11-20/

                  https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-google-hand-dissident-data-to-saudi-arabia-activists-say-2023-7

                  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-05-13/trump-mbs-tout-1-trillion-saudi-deal-commitment

                  https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-saudi-event-include-ceos-chevron-qualcomm-pfizer-source-says-2025-11-17/

                  https://www.thenation.com/article/society/wall-street-mbs-saudi-al-rumayyan/

                  https://www.businessinsider.com/how-investment-in-uber-brought-saudi-prince-to-silicon-valley-2020-9

                  https://fortune.com/2024/01/08/amazon-microsoft-google-opening-saudi-arabia-hqs/

                  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/us/politics/trump-saudi-business-lunch-musk-altman.html

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                  • antopatriarca@mathstodon.xyzA antopatriarca@mathstodon.xyz

                    @maya_b @cliffle I thought the name you see depended on your IP as I still see both the gulf and the lake using the old name and I assumed it was because I’m in Italy. Do Canadians (or Mexican in case of the gulf) see the Trump BS name? That would be some stupidity from Google.

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                    #23

                    @antopatriarca @maya_b @cliffle Germany sees "Lake Ontario (Lake America)". Not sure which other countries are affected how.

                    I presume it will be consistent with the Gulf of Mexico.

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                    • tjc_2@mastodon.socialT tjc_2@mastodon.social

                      @cliffle

                      Oh, GOOGLE - an executive order is NOT a law that YOU must obey. It's an order for the executive branch to follow unless it's not allowed by law. It's YOUR CHOICE to kowtow to this nonsense.

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                      #24

                      @TJC_2 @cliffle The usual trick is to threaten to end all government contracts on noncompliance.

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                      • j2kun@mathstodon.xyzJ j2kun@mathstodon.xyz

                        @tknarr @cliffle this is true, and the original post smells like disinformation.

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                        #25

                        @j2kun @tknarr @cliffle Pretty sure the USGS NGIS does not say which name to show in Germany?

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                        • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                          @cliffle

                          Everything Google does is intended to curry the favor of oil oligarchs, petrostate despots, and their financiers.

                          https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/15/major-investor-calls-on-google-owner-to-aggressively-cut-staff-and-pay

                          https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/billionaire-hohn-more-google-layoffs-17736530.php

                          https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/07/heres-a-look-at-who.html

                          https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligencer-trump-mbs-meeting-brings-ai-money-2025-11-20/

                          https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-google-hand-dissident-data-to-saudi-arabia-activists-say-2023-7

                          https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-05-13/trump-mbs-tout-1-trillion-saudi-deal-commitment

                          https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-saudi-event-include-ceos-chevron-qualcomm-pfizer-source-says-2025-11-17/

                          https://www.thenation.com/article/society/wall-street-mbs-saudi-al-rumayyan/

                          https://www.businessinsider.com/how-investment-in-uber-brought-saudi-prince-to-silicon-valley-2020-9

                          https://fortune.com/2024/01/08/amazon-microsoft-google-opening-saudi-arabia-hqs/

                          https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/13/us/politics/trump-saudi-business-lunch-musk-altman.html

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                          #26

                          @Npars01 @cliffle And an older one: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/google-apple-remove-navalny-app-stores-russian-elections-begin-2021-09-17/

                          Yes, even Putin.

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                          • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                            It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                            ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                            Every response is a choice.

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                            #27

                            @cliffle

                            "don't be evil"
                            [follows dictates of a rapist]

                            Google needs to be emptied out.

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                            • divverent@social.vivaldi.netD divverent@social.vivaldi.net

                              @Npars01 @cliffle And an older one: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/google-apple-remove-navalny-app-stores-russian-elections-begin-2021-09-17/

                              Yes, even Putin.

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                              #28

                              @divVerent @cliffle

                              Google sides with authoritarians, always

                              Saudi Arabia
                              https://www.newsweek.com/what-absher-google-approved-saudi-government-app-tracks-women-1350005

                              https://english.aawsat.com/technology/4500261-over-26m-electronic-transactions-carried-out-through-saudi-arabias-absher

                              China
                              https://theintercept.com/2018/08/01/google-china-search-engine-censorship/

                              https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/02/google-working-on-censored-search-engine-for-china

                              https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49015516

                              https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/chinas-moonshot-talks-with-microsoft-amazon-google-over-k3-revenue-sharing-2026-08-26/

                              https://qz.com/moonshot-ai-kimi-k3-revenue-sharing-microsoft-amazon-google-082626

                              Russia
                              https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/15/google-helped-facilitate-russia-china-censorship-requests

                              https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48262148

                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/01/02/top-google-exec-pushed-company-commit-human-rights-then-google-pushed-him-out-he-says/

                              Orban
                              https://kyivindependent.com/orbans-party-biggest-spenders-of-google-advertising-in-eu/

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                              • divverent@social.vivaldi.netD divverent@social.vivaldi.net

                                @j2kun @tknarr @cliffle Pretty sure the USGS NGIS does not say which name to show in Germany?

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                                #29

                                @divVerent @tknarr @cliffle The German government also runs a place name system (BKG). Does it choose a different name that Maps ignores? If so, that might be worth complaining about.

                                My point is really that people should first learn how the systems work before posting rants about them.

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                                • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                                  It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                                  ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                                  Every response is a choice.

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                                  #30

                                  @cliffle
                                  Here in Australia, I see:
                                  Lake Ontario
                                  Gulf Of Mexico (Gulf Of America)

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                                  • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                                    It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                                    ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                                    Every response is a choice.

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                                    #31

                                    @cliffle

                                    Google is gonzo for me. Finally ditched it today. Fuck them.

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                                    • j2kun@mathstodon.xyzJ j2kun@mathstodon.xyz

                                      @divVerent @tknarr @cliffle The German government also runs a place name system (BKG). Does it choose a different name that Maps ignores? If so, that might be worth complaining about.

                                      My point is really that people should first learn how the systems work before posting rants about them.

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                                      #32

                                      @j2kun @tknarr @cliffle The BKG seems to return "Ontariosee" and "Lake Ontario", depending on which of its APIs one uses.

                                      To some extent, the BKG reuses data from OpenStreetMap, BTW.

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                                      • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                                        It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                                        ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                                        Every response is a choice.

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                                        #33

                                        @cliffle they are just magically drawn to fellatio.

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                                        • cliffle@hachyderm.ioC cliffle@hachyderm.io

                                          It's interesting that Google's compliance with non-law government directives regarding the names of bodies of water is so blazingly fast, because, they say, it's their responsibility under the law and they're just following orders...

                                          ...and yet their compliance with laws regarding labor rights, collective bargaining, sexual harrassment, and workforce diversity was and is glacial, despite being actual laws.

                                          Every response is a choice.

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                                          #34

                                          @cliffle it’s interesting how clueless you are …

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