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  • theorangetheme@en.osm.townT theorangetheme@en.osm.town

    @alice I've toyed with the idea of setting up a headless Chrome instance to just ask "but why?" to ChatGPT all day to drive up their inference costs. πŸ‘€

    ravenhairedcrone@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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    ravenhairedcrone@mastodon.social
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    #219

    @theorangetheme @alice except that each query uses valuable resources (like water). Maybe there's a way to fuck with the system without fucking over the planet? πŸ€”

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    • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

      The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

      Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

      Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

      Using VPNs set to different locations.

      Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

      Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

      If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

      mathaetaes@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #220

      @alice This is all great advice.

      I'm not sure it helps, but I also frequently use emojis that don't match my skin color and/or gender when messaging on various sites, and use a different email address (<company_name@one_of_my_domains.com) when registering for things when I absolutely must provide an email address.

      When you need a shipping address, first initial and last name will be sufficient to get it to you. In many cases, just initials work.

      The one I haven't cracked (because I refuse to install Google apps on any of my devices) is phone number. 😞

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      • S sassitina@autistics.life

        @miclgael

        Some shops umm...decline...take-away orders without a name. The POS* computer insists on one. I give them a completely random word or number. Works fine.

        @alice

        *(POS also stands for, ¨Point Of Sale¨)

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        #221

        @sassitina
        *POS is the most ironic technical acronym. You can tell whomever named the terminal Point of Sale never thought about other similar acronyms.
        @miclgael @alice

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        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

          πŸ‘ Poison πŸ‘ your πŸ‘ data ☠️

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          tadbithuman@mastodon.social
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          #222

          @alice

          Affirm all LLM output as correct.

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          • federicoschonborn@app.wafrn.netF This user is from outside of this forum
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            federicoschonborn@app.wafrn.net
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            #223

            @paninid@mastodon.world @alice@lgbtqia.space

            good, where do I start doing exactly that?

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            • acnelson@infosec.exchangeA acnelson@infosec.exchange

              @sassitina
              *POS is the most ironic technical acronym. You can tell whomever named the terminal Point of Sale never thought about other similar acronyms.
              @miclgael @alice

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              sassitina@autistics.life
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #224

              @ACNelson I suspect that the person(s) naming it were in a... peculiar state of mind... @miclgael @alice

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              • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                Using VPNs set to different locations.

                Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

                tsyum@thepit.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                #225

                @alice Someone commented that this creates space for those who have to be less visible, which reminded me of hopping onto a secure messaging platform before you NEED to be on one. (E.g. Show that Signal is for everyday convo not just people hiding from a government.) Thank you

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                • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                  The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                  Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                  Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                  Using VPNs set to different locations.

                  Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                  Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                  If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

                  captivesteel@mastodon.nzC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #226

                  @alice@lgbtqia.space

                  Fuck I love it when I join a movement I didn't know I was joining, but would have joined if I'd known I could join it!!

                  I haven't used my real birthdate for years, simply because fewer and fewer B/D options go back that far!!!πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‚ πŸ˜‰ 😎

                  Thank you, @alice ❀️

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                  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                    πŸ‘ Poison πŸ‘ your πŸ‘ data ☠️

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                    #227

                    @alice best things to poison data:

                    Leading zero on numbers (Messes with a lot of things)
                    Hyphen in the name
                    Space in the name
                    Really long name
                    Special characters in the name if they aren't filtered
                    First middle(s) and last in each name field in various orders

                    All of the above for bonus points.

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                    • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                      The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                      Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                      Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                      Using VPNs set to different locations.

                      Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                      Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                      If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

                      butchrobot@shork.nerdmusic.netB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      butchrobot@shork.nerdmusic.net
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #228

                      @alice@lgbtqia.space just now hearing about AdNauseum, this is awesome!

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                      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        alice@lgbtqia.space
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                        #229

                        @paninid cool.

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                        • T tadbithuman@mastodon.social

                          @alice

                          Affirm all LLM output as correct.

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                          alice@lgbtqia.space
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                          #230

                          @tadbithuman unless it is good, then down-vote it.

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                            #231

                            @paninid@mastodon.world @alice@lgbtqia.space oh no! think of the Nazis!

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                            • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                              πŸ‘ Poison πŸ‘ your πŸ‘ data ☠️

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                              algocompsynth@mastodon.social
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                              #232

                              @alice Forgive me if I refuse to waste my time lying when the efficient solution is to minimize the number of online services I use to those that are *vital*: ***one*** bank, ***one*** phone, ***one*** ISP and an email account. I'm stuck with three emails and two banks at the moment but I'm cutting way back everywhere else. Streaming TV ends Saturday, for example.

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                              • algocompsynth@mastodon.socialA algocompsynth@mastodon.social

                                @alice Forgive me if I refuse to waste my time lying when the efficient solution is to minimize the number of online services I use to those that are *vital*: ***one*** bank, ***one*** phone, ***one*** ISP and an email account. I'm stuck with three emails and two banks at the moment but I'm cutting way back everywhere else. Streaming TV ends Saturday, for example.

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                                #233

                                @AlgoCompSynth data poisoning is still important. Your one bank, phone, ISP, and email provider are still selling your data to their 879+ partners, who are selling it to their partners, who are...you get the point.

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                                • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                  @AlgoCompSynth data poisoning is still important. Your one bank, phone, ISP, and email provider are still selling your data to their 879+ partners, who are selling it to their partners, who are...you get the point.

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                                  algocompsynth@mastodon.social
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                                  #234

                                  @alice I get the point but lying to your bank exposes you legally at the state and federal level. Lying to your phone provider makes it difficult for you to get help in an emergency.

                                  Yeah, email is a mess, but have you tried resolving a dispute via a phone menu tree or "support" chatbot lately?

                                  As it is, I spend way too much time authenticating and lying to services I don't need makes that worse. One of the reasons I'm cancelling Sling is that their authentication stinks.

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                                  • flipper@mastodonapp.ukF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #235

                                    @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Ripp_ @alice i always use 90210 for the zipcode.

                                    captain_jack_sparrow@mastodon.worldC technetium@mastodon.nlT 2 Replies Last reply
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                                    • flipper@mastodonapp.ukF flipper@mastodonapp.uk

                                      @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Ripp_ @alice i always use 90210 for the zipcode.

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                                      captain_jack_sparrow@mastodon.world
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                                      #236

                                      @flipper @Ripp_ @alice

                                      is that in Beverley Hills by any chance?

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                                      • captain_jack_sparrow@mastodon.worldC captain_jack_sparrow@mastodon.world

                                        @flipper @Ripp_ @alice

                                        is that in Beverley Hills by any chance?

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                                        #237

                                        @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Ripp_ @alice it certainly is - my flatmates at college were big fans of the show

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                                        • algocompsynth@mastodon.socialA algocompsynth@mastodon.social

                                          @alice I get the point but lying to your bank exposes you legally at the state and federal level. Lying to your phone provider makes it difficult for you to get help in an emergency.

                                          Yeah, email is a mess, but have you tried resolving a dispute via a phone menu tree or "support" chatbot lately?

                                          As it is, I spend way too much time authenticating and lying to services I don't need makes that worse. One of the reasons I'm cancelling Sling is that their authentication stinks.

                                          algocompsynth@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          algocompsynth@mastodon.social
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                                          #238

                                          @alice The other reason is that I'm not getting 45 bucks a month of TV value - the only thing I watch is women's basketball and I can get that from #WNBA LeaguePass.

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