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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

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  • tedmielczarek@mastodon.socialT tedmielczarek@mastodon.social

    @TimWardCam @grote I feel like you're inventing a weird fictional scenario here to be mad about, but Google Play already has support for limited distribution of apps for internal testing without requiring all of the steps required to publish an app in the Play Store: https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9845334?hl=en

    grote@chaos.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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    #169

    @tedmielczarek My weird fictional scenario is normal people using @fdroidorg to get their apps. They have apps that are downloaded millions of times per week. A hobbyist exception to distribute one app to 20 people who need to first opt-in doesn't cut it for those. Also your link goes to Google Play testing, so you may not have understood the issue.

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    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

      * enable developer options
      * confirm that you are not tricked
      * restart phone and re-authenticate
      * wait one day
      * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
      * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
      * confirm that you accept the risks
      * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

      tian2992@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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      #170

      @grote this is BS

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      • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

        Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

        * enable developer options
        * confirm that you are not tricked
        * restart phone and re-authenticate
        * wait one day
        * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
        * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
        * confirm that you accept the risks
        * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

        https://goo.gle/advance-flow

        numodular@c.imN This user is from outside of this forum
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        #171

        @grote But... ya know... 'unbridled' Capitalism!..

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        • li@tech.lgbtL li@tech.lgbt

          @itsFriday @CalcProgrammer1 @grote that implies that "installing an application" and not requiring a license from the state + google to do so .. is a "feature for advanced users" which it isnt.

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          #172

          @Li @CalcProgrammer1 @grote True. I see "advanced user" as just some one knowing a bit more as the average user. Maybe there is a better term.

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          • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

            They even have a video up where they try to make this all sound nice and positive:

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            #173
            @grote Yeah, "committed to openness", what an ugly lie.

            And "one time 24 hour wait" ... I bet that will be a lie, too. I'm pretty sure this will hit me more than once :-(.

            Google is evil.
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            • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

              @tedmielczarek My weird fictional scenario is normal people using @fdroidorg to get their apps. They have apps that are downloaded millions of times per week. A hobbyist exception to distribute one app to 20 people who need to first opt-in doesn't cut it for those. Also your link goes to Google Play testing, so you may not have understood the issue.

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              #174

              @grote @fdroidorg sorry, that was directed at Tim, not you. I understand and appreciate what F-Droid provides and agree that this sucks badly. I just also think that people have a tendency to get off in the weeds instead of focusing on the things that matter.

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              • lioh@social.anoxinon.deL lioh@social.anoxinon.de

                @grote so is not so bad in the end.

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                #175

                @Lioh @grote Well, the 24-hour wait basically means that for a whole day, you're banned from using the device that you own however you like. What's stopping them from extending it to a week? Or a month?

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                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                  Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                  * enable developer options
                  * confirm that you are not tricked
                  * restart phone and re-authenticate
                  * wait one day
                  * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                  * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                  * confirm that you accept the risks
                  * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                  https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                  #176

                  @grote SailfishOS is waiting for these people.

                  Made by ex-Nokia employees and a viable daily driver since 2013.

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                  • utf_7@mastodon.socialU utf_7@mastodon.social

                    @kevinrns @grote to what?

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                    #177

                    @utf_7 @grote

                    Credit union browser access europe.

                    Start making enquiries now and let them know it might be a revolition for memberships?

                    https://help.bcu.org/s/article/Accessing-BCU-Mobile-Banking-App-in-the-EU

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                    • razemix@mamutovo.czR razemix@mamutovo.cz

                      @Lioh @grote Well, the 24-hour wait basically means that for a whole day, you're banned from using the device that you own however you like. What's stopping them from extending it to a week? Or a month?

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                      #178

                      @Razemix sorry, I have waited three month to unlock my Xiaomi. 24hrs is a blessing! @grote

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                      • burnitdown@beige.partyB burnitdown@beige.party

                        @grote

                        "scammers often pressure victims into disabling security measures"

                        gee Google, i wonder where they might find malware that would bypass those "security measures" without any pressure at all??? oh well not fucking important i guess.

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                        #179

                        @burnitdown @grote

                        Where indeed 🤔

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                        • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                          Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                          * enable developer options
                          * confirm that you are not tricked
                          * restart phone and re-authenticate
                          * wait one day
                          * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                          * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                          * confirm that you accept the risks
                          * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                          https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                          maxxcan@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #180

                          @grote is it necessary a dragon blood and sirens tears?

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                          • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                            Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                            * enable developer options
                            * confirm that you are not tricked
                            * restart phone and re-authenticate
                            * wait one day
                            * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                            * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                            * confirm that you accept the risks
                            * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                            https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                            glennmagusharvey@sakurajima.moeG This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #181

                            @grote What if I don't ever connect my Android phone to a Google account in the first place?

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                            • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                              Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                              * enable developer options
                              * confirm that you are not tricked
                              * restart phone and re-authenticate
                              * wait one day
                              * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                              * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                              * confirm that you accept the risks
                              * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                              https://goo.gle/advance-flow

                              millihertz@oldbytes.spaceM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #182

                              @grote or alternatively:

                              • sidestep this whole mess and install APKs through adb install

                              if they want to call installing apps sideloading, then we'll do sideloading for real.

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                              • millihertz@oldbytes.spaceM millihertz@oldbytes.space

                                @grote or alternatively:

                                • sidestep this whole mess and install APKs through adb install

                                if they want to call installing apps sideloading, then we'll do sideloading for real.

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                                #183

                                @millihertz for all apps you will ever want from F-Droid? And their updates?

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                                • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                  @millihertz for all apps you will ever want from F-Droid? And their updates?

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                                  #184

                                  @grote yeah, if that's what it takes

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                                  • millihertz@oldbytes.spaceM millihertz@oldbytes.space

                                    @grote yeah, if that's what it takes

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                                    #185

                                    @grote i'm guessing it'll take the F-Droid website about two seconds to figure out how to have Chrome automate the process

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                                    • grote@chaos.socialG grote@chaos.social

                                      Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

                                      * enable developer options
                                      * confirm that you are not tricked
                                      * restart phone and re-authenticate
                                      * wait one day
                                      * confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
                                      * decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
                                      * confirm that you accept the risks
                                      * enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this

                                      https://goo.gle/advance-flow

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                                      heislertecreator2049@mastodon.social
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                                      #186

                                      @grote just wait until they download and inspect, validate, do a security check on, and....

                                      run a jar?

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                                      • millihertz@oldbytes.spaceM millihertz@oldbytes.space

                                        @grote i'm guessing it'll take the F-Droid website about two seconds to figure out how to have Chrome automate the process

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                                        #187

                                        @grote it sucks, but fuck google

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                                          #188

                                          @argv_minus_one Are you talking benchmarks or specific usages? In benchmarks they'll probably always look to come out ahead because they have a LOT of accelerators. Real life usage is much much trickier and really depends on what you're doing. For example, ARM may have some advantages in, say, encoding if the encoder can take advantage of all those accelerators and if it's allowed to still use lots of watts (just less than the desktop presumably) with good heat dissipation.

                                          But in something where accelerators start being tricky to use like, say, emulation or a game, ARM starts falling behind. Often way behind.

                                          The thing about x86/64 is it's very good at general usage.

                                          (I got curious and looked up a benchmark btw. The latest M5 seems to barely claim better SC benches than my CPU)

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