Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
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@nazokiyoubinbou @FifiSch @grote Unfortunately, you cannot do complete backups of android devices if you are not rooted. You may have a phone in use currently, which you didn't have the foresight to bootloader unlock and root when you initially got it, and thus installing any custom ROM is not very interesting as you would loose a large part of your data. The part of the data that you would lose is unknown as app/phone backups are opaque, and might also result in losing access to some messaging applications if not done carefully. In the best case, you would have a second phone from which to transfer data from, as a reference (and for messaging apps that can transfer accounts between devices).
At least, that's how I see it. The process itself is easy, but the steps before and after are much more scary.In all, I do agree with your initial premise that LineageOS and other custom ROMs will become more popular for those that have android headsets that have unlockable bootloaders and have the initial knowhow.
We do seriously need more alternatives to Android and iOS, such as postmarketOS, as the current state of things is getting very dire. Unfortunately, the hardware itself is not very standardised and manufacturers want to keep control to squeeze a few more cents from each device…@confusomu @FifiSch @grote Honestly just feels like a whole lot of "I don't want to, it sounds hard." Which is just what all these posts feel like.
If you don't divest from Google, it stores backups in your account — the "cloud" if you will. If you do want to divest from Google, you can set it up to use the internal backup function that's in like 9 or so on up to backup to a flash drive or whatever, which it can import during initial configuration when you first boot up.
But really there is a lot less to lose in most apps than one might think. It's usually so little trouble to redo things I typically don't bother even though I have root and backups. There are benefits even to starting clean.
People want to be scared of the process.
As always, one can ask someone to help!
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I found a credit union in one quick search that allows at least some browser access ...
This is a fight, find allies. Credit unions are better than banks, many much better.
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote you're going to disable this in your custom builds anyway, right?
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote How to replace the firmware with something else?
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote Does this also apply for using adb directly? Sideloading is already a pain since the introduction of xapks
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with this@grote And watch this path become unmaintained and not working within 6 months.
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@grote it will REQUIRE biometrics? See, @fistfulofdave @wendigo @gavin57 this is what I mean. Whole world wants to put biometrics in everything. It's nonsense
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with thismaybe Google just doesn’t like developing android anymore and want an excuse to stop having to update it (no more userbase)
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@grote remember, kids: "sideloading" is just "installing software that isn't on the app store." the corpos are just calling it "sideloading" because it sounds shadier.
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@grote remember, kids: "sideloading" is just "installing software that isn't on the app store." the corpos are just calling it "sideloading" because it sounds shadier.
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maybe Google just doesn’t like developing android anymore and want an excuse to stop having to update it (no more userbase)
#google #android #android-sideloading@msmissing @grote very cynically, one can argue that promos are now tied to making Gemini do more and not android
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Lenovo is pushing back hard on locked in software, selling ThinkPads cheaper if they install linux, their phone division is partnering with a non google non apple OS.
There are avenues and partners, and when Trump is gone let's break up the tech bros monopolizers into very small competing companies. Very small.
Its a BIG fight, its not just phones, its not just the US.
Support, discuss, ORGANIZE.
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with thisYeah fuck this
Time to get a furi or jolla phone
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Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:
* enable developer options
* confirm that you are not tricked
* restart phone and re-authenticate
* wait one day
* confirm with biometrics that you know what you are doing
* decide if you only want unrestricted installs for 1 week or forever
* confirm that you accept the risks
* enjoy the few apps that still have developers motivated to develop for a user-base willing to put up with thisIn the long term Alphabet are going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
I note that Canadian company Graphene has announced a partnership with Motorola. For clarification, it appears at this stage these Motorola phones will be developed in partnership with Graphene, shipping with Android but fully Graphene ready.
If these are good (Motorola make good hardware) I will set up a biz to obtain commercial quantities of these and beginning offering them for sale already flashed with Graphene.
Things are getting so bad even non nerd boomers are coming to me expressing concern about relying on bug tech of the former US and asking me for advice so there is a market for 'clean' devices.
Anyway, back to my point, once more privacy respecting alternatives are commercially available Android will lose ground and the rivers of gold of AD revenue begin drying up in the same way Windows 11 is prompting an exodus to Linux.
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@grote wow. for a second i thought this was satire, but then i clicked on the link and it's literally as you say.
why do i have a feeling this is not really about security?
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@grote it will REQUIRE biometrics? See, @fistfulofdave @wendigo @gavin57 this is what I mean. Whole world wants to put biometrics in everything. It's nonsense
@jake4480 @grote @fistfulofdave @wendigo @gavin57
No, you can use a device PIN.
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@reallylazybear i've done it too. it's not really hard. it just requires at least 4 hours of work and the last time i did it i ended up with a phone that my sim card would not function in so it ended up being a complete failure
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@jake4480 @grote @fistfulofdave @wendigo @gavin57
No, you can use a device PIN.
@resuna @grote @fistfulofdave @wendigo @gavin57 oh good, that's a relief
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@grote you're going to disable this in your custom builds anyway, right?
@jernej Right, but I am more worried about the unverified developer community and @fdroidorg
Who will still develop for the handful of power users going through this flow?
