Install party to set up #DeltaChat servers, created several local test servers, and promoted it.
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@dside @hko @lyyn thanks for your friendly communication! the people behind https://autocrypt2.org think it's worthwhile to clarify what cryptographic properties are about. Forward secrecy is about messages that you delete on your chat device become unrecoverable to a server attacker. Nothing more, nothing less. "Reliable Deletion" expresses this cryptographic property much more directly. Using more magic terms makes it too easy to feel falsely secure, or unnecessarily alarmed these days.
@delta yeah, I caught that bit of the intention. The goal is understandable. I'm just not sure the solution will work towards it.
I disagree with this being a more direct expression (admittedly, with my atypically wide interpretation of "forwarding") of what it's trying to say and it's most certainly at a massive disadvantage in adoption. The adoption of a new term for an existing concept is an uphill battle against an entrenched bit of natural language, so to speak. My concern is that it might end up causing more trouble than it's worth.
I'll refrain from commenting further until I actually watch the FOSDEM talk on AC2. Good news: for all the hosting providers Russia has been banning en masse lately autocrypt2's website is perfectly accessible at this time
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@delta yeah, I caught that bit of the intention. The goal is understandable. I'm just not sure the solution will work towards it.
I disagree with this being a more direct expression (admittedly, with my atypically wide interpretation of "forwarding") of what it's trying to say and it's most certainly at a massive disadvantage in adoption. The adoption of a new term for an existing concept is an uphill battle against an entrenched bit of natural language, so to speak. My concern is that it might end up causing more trouble than it's worth.
I'll refrain from commenting further until I actually watch the FOSDEM talk on AC2. Good news: for all the hosting providers Russia has been banning en masse lately autocrypt2's website is perfectly accessible at this time
@delta @dside it's entirely possible to introduce and center a new term (like "reliable deletion") while also mentioning its relation to a preexisting term such as "forward secrecy".
I see no strong need to avoid new terminology, if the old terminology is clearly not serving its communicative purpose.
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@delta @dside it's entirely possible to introduce and center a new term (like "reliable deletion") while also mentioning its relation to a preexisting term such as "forward secrecy".
I see no strong need to avoid new terminology, if the old terminology is clearly not serving its communicative purpose.
@hko I guess that's where the crux of our disagreement is. "Forward secrecy" serves its communicative purpose just fine for me, I explain above how. But I'm one random guy out on the internets so this is anecdotal evidence at best. Not very reliable, that is.
Popularizing a new term for an existing concept is certainly possible, but difficult. Costly in terms of time and effort. I'm not sure it's worth for @delta to fight that fight. But that's their choice.
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@dside @hko @lyyn thanks for your friendly communication! the people behind https://autocrypt2.org think it's worthwhile to clarify what cryptographic properties are about. Forward secrecy is about messages that you delete on your chat device become unrecoverable to a server attacker. Nothing more, nothing less. "Reliable Deletion" expresses this cryptographic property much more directly. Using more magic terms makes it too easy to feel falsely secure, or unnecessarily alarmed these days.
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Install party to set up #DeltaChat servers, created several local test servers, and promoted it.
This was our community's final in-person gathering of the year for free software enthusiasts, held privately.
We designated the year 1404 (in the Persian calendar) as the year for promoting free software culture.Based on this, we organized various events and conferences to introduce this culture, and similarly pursued diverse promotional approaches to amplify the voice of free software.
The adoption of free software has had positive impacts in Iran.
Now, with a record of 500 active Delta Chat servers during Iran's internet blackout period, we made an effort to hold this final gathering.We have named the new year as the year for promoting decentralized #free_software tools and will continue to pursue it.
May the new year in a free Iran allow us to both host events introducing books like #Ada and #Zangemann, and promote free, decentralized tools.
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Since DeltaChat uses mail infrastructure, what is the difference between a DeltaChat server and an ordinary mail server?Can you explain that?
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