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  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

    @cwebber It's interesting because on the IPO thing it's a win-win. A company that wants to IPO sounds powerful and important. A company that *doesn't* want to IPO, such as OpenAI whose IPO would probably underperform expectations if it happened tomorrow, can point to the "alignment" "safety" concerns as an excuse to put the IPO off ( https://bsky.app/profile/dryad.technology/post/3mve53u5jb22i )

    This demonstrates how much more powerful lies are than truth. Presumably a truth wouldn't usually prove *both* a thing and its opposite

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    #6

    @mcc @cwebber

    Now, I want some input from mathematicians or philosophers!

    "Presumably a truth wouldn't usually prove *both* a thing and its opposite"

    I seem to recall that Gödel had some stuff to say about that...

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    • bytebro@mastodonapp.ukB bytebro@mastodonapp.uk

      @mcc @cwebber

      Now, I want some input from mathematicians or philosophers!

      "Presumably a truth wouldn't usually prove *both* a thing and its opposite"

      I seem to recall that Gödel had some stuff to say about that...

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      #7

      @bytebro @cwebber Gödel said you can be complete *or* consistent. You get to pick one! And the Gödel sentences that prove you can't have both are *really* complicated, he had to work hard to design one. And English isn't a formal logic

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      • allie@kind.socialA allie@kind.social

        @cwebber If you substitute "AI company" with either "drug dealer" or "pharmaceutical company", then all of their playbooks become very familiar.

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        #8

        @allie @cwebber

        ... or "religion"

        https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/117270427509528092

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

          - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
          - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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          #9

          @cwebber@social.coop I think it's very important to ensure that anti-AI people don't fall into this trap and inadvertently assist the AI companies even if that means pissing everyone off in the process. Keeping it legal to compete with the AI companies is important! But people who think local LLMs can never be valid might not see it that way.

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

            - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
            - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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            #10

            @cwebber How do we "slow" down development of LLM's if they are grown rather than programmed by a team of humans? Would that even be possible?

            I think its also important that Deepseek released v4.1 flash just before the weekend with tech (most of the model is on normal ram or even ssd and 8gb in vram) and at price points that no US company can even hope to match currently. I would be shocked if the teams at Kimi and Z.ai haven't been breeding from that model greedily over the last few days.

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            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

              It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

              - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
              - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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              #11

              @cwebber This feels very war-on-drugs-ish

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                #12

                @cwebber I fear we're too focused on AIs and not on all these nasty AI companies who's criminality doesn't end there

                but Trump doesn't want to even regulate the AIs, so we're in a lot of trouble

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                  - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                  - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                  #13

                  @cwebber I suspect also that they would like to reign in their outrageous R&D costs.

                  They know their customers are not loyal and are sensitive to both price and perceived quality.

                  Establishing an anticompetitive cabal fixes that problem.

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                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                    It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                    - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                    - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                    #14

                    @cwebber Bullseye, especially point number 2.
                    Corporation == self-serving, full-stop.

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                    • allie@kind.socialA allie@kind.social

                      @cwebber ("drug dealer" in the hypothetical sense depicted in fiction -- most actual drug dealers I've known have not been like this.)

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                      #15

                      @allie @cwebber my shrooms hookup would literally give them away if they didn't need to pay rent

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                        - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                        - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                        #16

                        @cwebber I have no evidence that refutes--or even casts doubt upon--either hypothesis.

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                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                          It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                          - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                          - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                          #17

                          @cwebber question: open weight LLMs tend to come from China. Would the US regulations reach that far? (pardon my ignorance, in Europe i can use either :P)

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                          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                            It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                            - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                            - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                            #18

                            @cwebber indeed suppress the valuations then make a killing on the ipo

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                              #19

                              @tk @cwebber exactly!

                              Meanwhile all the actual #3Dprinting enthusiasts run #OpenSourve #Frmware on the #OpenSourceHardware #3Dprinters!

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                              • johnnyvibrant@mastodonapp.ukJ johnnyvibrant@mastodonapp.uk

                                @cwebber How do we "slow" down development of LLM's if they are grown rather than programmed by a team of humans? Would that even be possible?

                                I think its also important that Deepseek released v4.1 flash just before the weekend with tech (most of the model is on normal ram or even ssd and 8gb in vram) and at price points that no US company can even hope to match currently. I would be shocked if the teams at Kimi and Z.ai haven't been breeding from that model greedily over the last few days.

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                                #20

                                @johnnyvibrant @cwebber

                                Dude, nobody is growing anything in the world of AI except their egos and bank accounts.

                                It's not doing anything it wasn't programmed to do, and it won't. Ever.

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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                  - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                  - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                  #21

                                  @cwebber gt

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                                  • allie@kind.socialA allie@kind.social

                                    @cwebber ("drug dealer" in the hypothetical sense depicted in fiction -- most actual drug dealers I've known have not been like this.)

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                                    #22

                                    @allie @cwebber
                                    First one's free, after that you belong to me.

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                                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                      It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                      - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                      - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                      #23

                                      @cwebber I'm anxious about what happens to the rest of the cloud when the "AI Data Center" bottom falls out.

                                      Unless they've very carefully segmented and air-gapped the LLM portion of the compute, there's going to be giant chunks of the cloud going dark.

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                                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                        It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                        - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                        - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                        #24

                                        @cwebber
                                        Don't worry, everything will be alright.

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                                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                          It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                          - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                          - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                          #25

                                          @cwebber "It'll be the boxing match of the century! We had the legally register the fighter's hands as deadly weapons!"

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