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  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

    It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

    - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
    - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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    #31

    @cwebber

    How many idiot CEOs wondering right now "if it can destroy the world, surely it can replace entire departments".

    [No it can't because breaking stuff is easy]

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    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

      It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

      - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
      - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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      #32

      @cwebber

      They always want a regulatory moat, these fuckers.

      As for IPO though - pure speculation here - I wonder if their finances look like absolute muck and they're not quite ready to be seen with their pants down to the extent you need to before an IPO. They could be absolute dogs on paper, and I suspect they are.

      Some had it that if IPO didn't happen this year they OpenAI + Anthropic are in trouble. Which would mean they are in trouble, and may be trying to dress it up for acquisition.

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      • mk30@tilde.zoneM mk30@tilde.zone

        @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics I still don't get how it's marketing. Personally, I would *not* want to invest in the "kill everyone" company... Aside from the "killing everyone", I wouldn't even be able to collect on my returns! 🤣

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        #33

        @mk30 @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics

        It not the "kill everyone" part that is the selling point. It's the "so powerful".

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        • ikari@8bit.redI ikari@8bit.red

          @cwebber question: open weight LLMs tend to come from China. Would the US regulations reach that far? (pardon my ignorance, in Europe i can use either :P)

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          #34

          @ikari @cwebber I bet it'd be like those inexpensive electric cars from China: all they can really do is stop USAmericans from using them 🤷 and, in this case and more consequentially, US companies

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

            - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
            - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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            #35

            @cwebber Standard issue monopoly through regulatory capture. Make it impossible for competition to comply.

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            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

              It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

              - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
              - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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              #36

              @cwebber
              As the world of the Internet Search Engines went, AI companies will sell biased AI searches to the highest bidders ... something the CCP already do...

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                #37

                @cwebber so, I tend to agree with this pov.

                But the current AI safety conversation started when an ex-Anthropic researcher said he was scared, which doesn't fit the corporate astroturfing narrative.

                https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-researcher-quits-over-out-of-control-ai-fears-707b7628

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                  - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                  - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                  #38

                  @cwebber Also by a happy coincidence they had this epiphany shortly before an expected rise in interest rates.

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                  • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                    @cwebber so, I tend to agree with this pov.

                    But the current AI safety conversation started when an ex-Anthropic researcher said he was scared, which doesn't fit the corporate astroturfing narrative.

                    https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-researcher-quits-over-out-of-control-ai-fears-707b7628

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                    #39

                    @cwebber I mean, maybe the guy was part of a marketing maneuver, but that seems kind of extreme on his part. Or maybe the companies capitalized on the concerns he raised.

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                      - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                      - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                      #40

                      @cwebber the funniest thing possible that could happen is they get the regulatory moat, followed by the bubble finally popping and they all go bankrupt

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                      • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                        @cwebber I mean, maybe the guy was part of a marketing maneuver, but that seems kind of extreme on his part. Or maybe the companies capitalized on the concerns he raised.

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                        #41

                        @evan @cwebber or he got paid a shed load of money?

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                        • lily_and_frog@mastodon.artL lily_and_frog@mastodon.art

                          @mk30 @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics

                          It not the "kill everyone" part that is the selling point. It's the "so powerful".

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                          #42

                          @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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                          • bytebro@mastodonapp.ukB bytebro@mastodonapp.uk

                            @mcc @cwebber

                            Now, I want some input from mathematicians or philosophers!

                            "Presumably a truth wouldn't usually prove *both* a thing and its opposite"

                            I seem to recall that Gödel had some stuff to say about that...

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                            #43

                            @bytebro @mcc @cwebber nested incompleteness; how can the auditor audit itself

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                            • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                              @cwebber I mean, maybe the guy was part of a marketing maneuver, but that seems kind of extreme on his part. Or maybe the companies capitalized on the concerns he raised.

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                              #44

                              @evan @cwebber not all marketing is pre-planned. Sometimes useful things happen and you take advantage of them. Someone had to decide this was a story the wsj should run, and they may or may not be invested in this narrative.

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                              • mk30@tilde.zoneM mk30@tilde.zone

                                @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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                                #45

                                @mk30 @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics

                                Yeah, it smells of desperation.

                                On the other hand, no one in power cared for the long term for a very long time.

                                All those AI investors never stopped to ask themselves "who will buy the stuff if everyone loses their job" either...

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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                  - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                  - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                  #46

                                  @cwebber I'm writing an explainer on this. Should be out in the next day or so. I broke it down into four main parties: OpenAI/SpaceX/Anthropic; capital markets, the US government, and creepy nerds.

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                                  • brunogirin@mastodon.me.ukB brunogirin@mastodon.me.uk

                                    @evan @cwebber or he got paid a shed load of money?

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                                    #47

                                    @brunogirin @cwebber I mean, almost by definition!

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                                    • megmac@social.treehouse.systemsM megmac@social.treehouse.systems

                                      @evan @cwebber not all marketing is pre-planned. Sometimes useful things happen and you take advantage of them. Someone had to decide this was a story the wsj should run, and they may or may not be invested in this narrative.

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                                      #48

                                      @megmac @cwebber right. Taking advantage of the controversy.

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                                      • mk30@tilde.zoneM mk30@tilde.zone

                                        @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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                                        #49

                                        @mk30 @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics rich people don't understand that they're also mortal. To them, it's the "kill everyone but me" machine, their favorite type!

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                                        • raphaelmorgan@disabled.socialR raphaelmorgan@disabled.social

                                          @mk30 @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics rich people don't understand that they're also mortal. To them, it's the "kill everyone but me" machine, their favorite type!

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                                          #50

                                          @raphaelmorgan @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics so far this is the only answer that makes some sense.

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