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  • mk30@tilde.zoneM mk30@tilde.zone

    @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics I still don't get how it's marketing. Personally, I would *not* want to invest in the "kill everyone" company... Aside from the "killing everyone", I wouldn't even be able to collect on my returns! 🤣

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    #33

    @mk30 @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics

    It not the "kill everyone" part that is the selling point. It's the "so powerful".

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    • ikari@8bit.redI ikari@8bit.red

      @cwebber question: open weight LLMs tend to come from China. Would the US regulations reach that far? (pardon my ignorance, in Europe i can use either :P)

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      #34

      @ikari @cwebber I bet it'd be like those inexpensive electric cars from China: all they can really do is stop USAmericans from using them 🤷 and, in this case and more consequentially, US companies

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

        - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
        - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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        #35

        @cwebber Standard issue monopoly through regulatory capture. Make it impossible for competition to comply.

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

          - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
          - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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          #36

          @cwebber
          As the world of the Internet Search Engines went, AI companies will sell biased AI searches to the highest bidders ... something the CCP already do...

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

            - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
            - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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            #37

            @cwebber so, I tend to agree with this pov.

            But the current AI safety conversation started when an ex-Anthropic researcher said he was scared, which doesn't fit the corporate astroturfing narrative.

            https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-researcher-quits-over-out-of-control-ai-fears-707b7628

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            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

              It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

              - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
              - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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              #38

              @cwebber Also by a happy coincidence they had this epiphany shortly before an expected rise in interest rates.

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              • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                @cwebber so, I tend to agree with this pov.

                But the current AI safety conversation started when an ex-Anthropic researcher said he was scared, which doesn't fit the corporate astroturfing narrative.

                https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/anthropic-researcher-quits-over-out-of-control-ai-fears-707b7628

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                #39

                @cwebber I mean, maybe the guy was part of a marketing maneuver, but that seems kind of extreme on his part. Or maybe the companies capitalized on the concerns he raised.

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                  - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                  - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                  #40

                  @cwebber the funniest thing possible that could happen is they get the regulatory moat, followed by the bubble finally popping and they all go bankrupt

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                  • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                    @cwebber I mean, maybe the guy was part of a marketing maneuver, but that seems kind of extreme on his part. Or maybe the companies capitalized on the concerns he raised.

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                    #41

                    @evan @cwebber or he got paid a shed load of money?

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                    • lily_and_frog@mastodon.artL lily_and_frog@mastodon.art

                      @mk30 @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics

                      It not the "kill everyone" part that is the selling point. It's the "so powerful".

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                      #42

                      @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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                      • bytebro@mastodonapp.ukB bytebro@mastodonapp.uk

                        @mcc @cwebber

                        Now, I want some input from mathematicians or philosophers!

                        "Presumably a truth wouldn't usually prove *both* a thing and its opposite"

                        I seem to recall that Gödel had some stuff to say about that...

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                        #43

                        @bytebro @mcc @cwebber nested incompleteness; how can the auditor audit itself

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                        • evan@cosocial.caE evan@cosocial.ca

                          @cwebber I mean, maybe the guy was part of a marketing maneuver, but that seems kind of extreme on his part. Or maybe the companies capitalized on the concerns he raised.

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                          #44

                          @evan @cwebber not all marketing is pre-planned. Sometimes useful things happen and you take advantage of them. Someone had to decide this was a story the wsj should run, and they may or may not be invested in this narrative.

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                          • mk30@tilde.zoneM mk30@tilde.zone

                            @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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                            #45

                            @mk30 @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics

                            Yeah, it smells of desperation.

                            On the other hand, no one in power cared for the long term for a very long time.

                            All those AI investors never stopped to ask themselves "who will buy the stuff if everyone loses their job" either...

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                            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                              It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                              - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                              - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                              #46

                              @cwebber I'm writing an explainer on this. Should be out in the next day or so. I broke it down into four main parties: OpenAI/SpaceX/Anthropic; capital markets, the US government, and creepy nerds.

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                              • brunogirin@mastodon.me.ukB brunogirin@mastodon.me.uk

                                @evan @cwebber or he got paid a shed load of money?

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                                #47

                                @brunogirin @cwebber I mean, almost by definition!

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                                • megmac@social.treehouse.systemsM megmac@social.treehouse.systems

                                  @evan @cwebber not all marketing is pre-planned. Sometimes useful things happen and you take advantage of them. Someone had to decide this was a story the wsj should run, and they may or may not be invested in this narrative.

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                                  #48

                                  @megmac @cwebber right. Taking advantage of the controversy.

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                                  • mk30@tilde.zoneM mk30@tilde.zone

                                    @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics but...if it kills everyone.... Do you see where I'm going with this?

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                                    #49

                                    @mk30 @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics rich people don't understand that they're also mortal. To them, it's the "kill everyone but me" machine, their favorite type!

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                                    • raphaelmorgan@disabled.socialR raphaelmorgan@disabled.social

                                      @mk30 @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics rich people don't understand that they're also mortal. To them, it's the "kill everyone but me" machine, their favorite type!

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                                      #50

                                      @raphaelmorgan @Lily_and_frog @cwebber @FantasticalEconomics so far this is the only answer that makes some sense.

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                                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                        It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                        - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                        - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                        #51

                                        RE: https://mamot.fr/@homlett/117270256444800551

                                        @cwebber

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                                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                          It's pretty simple. You're hearing "We're so scared of the AIs, we need to reign them in" from the very US companies building and selling them for two reasons:

                                          - They're about to IPO, and it's amazing marketing for them
                                          - They want a regulatory moat, since they're deeply worried about the open weight LLMs. They want everyone dependent on this tech and to be *the only ones legally permitted to dispense it*.

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                                          #52

                                          @cwebber

                                          Regulatory capture -- always a fun game for sociopaths

                                          https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/09/14/big-ai-sets-out-its-terms-for-regulatory-capture-and-calls-it-pace-the-frontier/5296067

                                          https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2026/09/14/viral-ai-doom-post-sparks-market-fear-and-regulatory-capture-concerns-for-nasdaq-nvda-nasdaq-googl-nasdaq-amd/

                                          https://www.theregreview.org/2026/08/31/shapiro-regulatory-capture-and-the-fossil-fuel-companies-attempts-to-preempt-tort-lawsuits/

                                          Tort law manipulation in disguise.

                                          The fossil fuel industry & its shills in AI want what the gun lobby got; the impunity to mass murder
                                          https://themodernregulator.com/how-regulatory-capture-works-and-what-regulators-can-do-about-it/

                                          The goal is to shield profits & privilege to a select few.
                                          https://www.gisreportsonline.com/r/regulatory-capture/

                                          https://www.rstreet.org/commentary/bootleggers-baptists-and-ai/

                                          It also balloons profits for bootleggers, just like Prohibition did for the mafia

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