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  3. Twenty five years ago today I started the #Safari and #WebKit projects at #Apple Computer.

Twenty five years ago today I started the #Safari and #WebKit projects at #Apple Computer.

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  • cubeofcheese@mstdn.socialC cubeofcheese@mstdn.social

    @lisamelton I didn’t know there was a Safari for windows

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    #32

    @cubeofcheese It was only actively developed for a few years starting in 2007.

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    • lisamelton@mastodon.socialL lisamelton@mastodon.social

      @bigolewannabe Yes, but the people who hired me at Apple wanted a Web browser and Web library in one year.

      I knew that was impossible, but I figured they wouldn't fire me if I took 18 months. Which is exactly how long it did take before we unveiled the public Beta in January of 2003.

      Only a fool would write everything from scratch with pressure like that. And I was no fool.

      That's not to disparage the work by the Arc and Servo teams, but they didn't have the constraints that I did.

      @eliasp

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      #33

      @lisamelton

      That exactly what I meant and yes. I'm not disparaging those teams either. Browsers engines are HARD. Doing them right takes a long time. Doing them well takes even longer. The edge cases and have edge cases.

      @eliasp

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      • lisamelton@mastodon.socialL lisamelton@mastodon.social

        Twenty five years ago today I started the #Safari and #WebKit projects at #Apple Computer.

        Which means Safari is now old enough to rent itself a car. But let's not speculate about my age.

        I'm still sad I can't use Safari on my Windows PC. Alas, I lost the battle to keep it there. But at least WebKit's DNA seeded or influenced most browsers we use today.

        And I'm proud of that impact. Along with the wonderful team I built who made it all happen. Here's to another 25, friends.

        Cheers. 🥂😊💖

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        #34

        @lisamelton 🎉👏🏻

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        • eliasp@mastodon.socialE eliasp@mastodon.social

          @lisamelton @bigolewannabe s/2023/2003/

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          #35

          @eliasp Thanks. Fixed.

          @bigolewannabe

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          • lisamelton@mastodon.socialL lisamelton@mastodon.social

            Twenty five years ago today I started the #Safari and #WebKit projects at #Apple Computer.

            Which means Safari is now old enough to rent itself a car. But let's not speculate about my age.

            I'm still sad I can't use Safari on my Windows PC. Alas, I lost the battle to keep it there. But at least WebKit's DNA seeded or influenced most browsers we use today.

            And I'm proud of that impact. Along with the wonderful team I built who made it all happen. Here's to another 25, friends.

            Cheers. 🥂😊💖

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            #36

            @lisamelton thank you for you service 🫂😘💜

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            • bigolewannabe@hachyderm.ioB bigolewannabe@hachyderm.io

              @lisamelton

              That exactly what I meant and yes. I'm not disparaging those teams either. Browsers engines are HARD. Doing them right takes a long time. Doing them well takes even longer. The edge cases and have edge cases.

              @eliasp

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              #37

              @bigolewannabe LOL! Indeed. 🤣

              I used to quote Ernie Hudson's line as Winston Zeddemore in Ghostbusters when detailing some of the egregious HTML, CSS, JavaScript and Web server behavior I've encountered from working on Netscape Navigator in the 90s and then Safari:

              "I've seen shit that'll turn you white."

              And, yeah, it's just that scary.

              @eliasp

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              • eliasp@mastodon.socialE eliasp@mastodon.social

                @lisamelton @bigolewannabe s/2023/2003/

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                #38

                @eliasp @lisamelton @bigolewannabe That long ago already…? Man I remember the excitement on @slashdot back when this was announced. Big vendors adopting open source was not yet common, at all. It was a big deal.

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                  #39

                  @jeridansky @lisamelton Ditto!

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                  • lisamelton@mastodon.socialL lisamelton@mastodon.social

                    @kimlockhartga Thank you! 💖 And you're correct, even our Fascist government can't take that away from me and my team. ✊️

                    If that effort and its success gave me courage, I sure wish I had transitioned sooner. Instead, I waited over 10 years after retirement to begin my journey. 🤦‍♀️

                    One thing it *did* was harden my resolve and focus when I finally did transition. And I'm forever thankful for that. 🥹🏳️‍⚧️

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                    @lisamelton Perhaps this was the right time all along. Much love.

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                    • lisamelton@mastodon.socialL lisamelton@mastodon.social

                      Twenty five years ago today I started the #Safari and #WebKit projects at #Apple Computer.

                      Which means Safari is now old enough to rent itself a car. But let's not speculate about my age.

                      I'm still sad I can't use Safari on my Windows PC. Alas, I lost the battle to keep it there. But at least WebKit's DNA seeded or influenced most browsers we use today.

                      And I'm proud of that impact. Along with the wonderful team I built who made it all happen. Here's to another 25, friends.

                      Cheers. 🥂😊💖

                      zimbi@pfalz.socialZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #41

                      @lisamelton Well Epiphany or GNOME Web uses WebKit

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                      • mkoek@mastodon.nlM mkoek@mastodon.nl

                        @eliasp @lisamelton @bigolewannabe That long ago already…? Man I remember the excitement on @slashdot back when this was announced. Big vendors adopting open source was not yet common, at all. It was a big deal.

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                        #42

                        @mkoek Indeed. But some nerds got wind of me hiring David Hyatt before our WWDC unveiling and thought Safari would be based on Firefox.

                        So, when Steve flashed a 20-foot-high slide with the words, "KHTML and KJS" on the stage, someone in the audience a dozen rows behind be shouted, "What the fuck?!?"

                        It. Was. Epic. 🤣

                        @eliasp @bigolewannabe @slashdot

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                        • lisamelton@mastodon.socialL lisamelton@mastodon.social

                          Twenty five years ago today I started the #Safari and #WebKit projects at #Apple Computer.

                          Which means Safari is now old enough to rent itself a car. But let's not speculate about my age.

                          I'm still sad I can't use Safari on my Windows PC. Alas, I lost the battle to keep it there. But at least WebKit's DNA seeded or influenced most browsers we use today.

                          And I'm proud of that impact. Along with the wonderful team I built who made it all happen. Here's to another 25, friends.

                          Cheers. 🥂😊💖

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                          @lisamelton I saw you on stage at a WWDC talking about Safari, saying that the team wouldn't merge any PR that negatively impacted render speeds, IIRC. You were the first trans technologist I saw on stage! I hadn't started yet but seeing you up there made a difference. Thanks. ❤

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                          • coralineada@ruby.socialC coralineada@ruby.social

                            @lisamelton I saw you on stage at a WWDC talking about Safari, saying that the team wouldn't merge any PR that negatively impacted render speeds, IIRC. You were the first trans technologist I saw on stage! I hadn't started yet but seeing you up there made a difference. Thanks. ❤

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                            @CoralineAda You are very welcome and I'm so glad I could make a difference! 🤗🥰💖

                            And, yes, I was both renowned and cursed for my zero regression policy regarding performance. 😊

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