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  • jwz@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

    That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

    Mozilla is cooked.

    https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

    cdamian@rls.socialC cstross@wandering.shopC alfacinco@mastodon.socialA abbe98@mastodon.socialA theorangetheme@en.osm.townT 39 Replies Last reply
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    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

      Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

      That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

      Mozilla is cooked.

      https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

      cdamian@rls.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @jwz
      Meanwhile the AI companies are burning the planet to build browsers from scratch as a benchmark.
      https://cursor.com/blog/scaling-agents

      This is how we all lose.

      kathimmel@mstdn.socialK davidgerard@circumstances.runD 2 Replies Last reply
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      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

        Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

        That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

        Mozilla is cooked.

        https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

        cstross@wandering.shopC This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @jwz My read is that Google—Mozilla's main funding source these days—have *ordered* them to spend money on AI (meanwhile supplying the money to do so). No mainstream browser may remain uncompromised by the grift. amirite?

        oblomov@sociale.networkO npars01@mstdn.socialN mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM 3 Replies Last reply
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        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

          Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

          That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

          Mozilla is cooked.

          https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

          alfacinco@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @jwz Pues yo ya he desinstalado Firefox de todos mis disposivos..., bye Mozilla 👋🏻

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          • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

            Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

            That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

            Mozilla is cooked.

            https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

            abbe98@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @jwz according to Mozilla they will spend $130 million on AI bullshit. The $1.4 billion number is their total reserves.

            https://stateof.mozilla.org/ledger/

            lariscusobscurus@wien.rocksL brouhaha@mastodon.socialB 2 Replies Last reply
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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              @jwz My read is that Google—Mozilla's main funding source these days—have *ordered* them to spend money on AI (meanwhile supplying the money to do so). No mainstream browser may remain uncompromised by the grift. amirite?

              oblomov@sociale.networkO This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @cstross @jwz well, in Google's case the pressure is most likely internal. For Mozilla it'd be interesting to see if there was a gentle push from the outside or if this is inbred^W in-board general idiocy.

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              • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                Mozilla is cooked.

                https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

                theorangetheme@en.osm.townT This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @jwz I feel like you could fix a lot of browser bugs with $1.4 billion (assuming it isn't wasted on Clod subscriptions for the sloperators).

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                • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                  Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                  That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                  Mozilla is cooked.

                  https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

                  csstrowbridge@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @jwz

                  So... I assume people have already researched alternative browsers.

                  Any recommendations.

                  czauner@social.vivaldi.netC kathimmel@mstdn.socialK pelle@veganism.socialP 3 Replies Last reply
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                  • abbe98@mastodon.socialA abbe98@mastodon.social

                    @jwz according to Mozilla they will spend $130 million on AI bullshit. The $1.4 billion number is their total reserves.

                    https://stateof.mozilla.org/ledger/

                    lariscusobscurus@wien.rocksL This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @abbe98 @jwz Imagine spending 10% of that on Servo instead. There are infinitely many better things to fund than another slop generator that will be ultimately inferior than any of the other free options currently available.

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                    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                      Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                      That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                      Mozilla is cooked.

                      https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

                      blogdiva@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @jwz jfc. and they are putting not one cent of that to FLOSS projects, right?

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                      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                        Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                        That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                        Mozilla is cooked.

                        https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

                        h4heights@mstdn.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @jwz FF used to be OK but sadly enshitified now. Not as bad as Chrome or Edge. Yet.

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                        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                          Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                          That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                          Mozilla is cooked.

                          https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

                          grimmy@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @jwz 1.4 BILLION after they closed their Open Source sponsorships too... 🙄

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                          • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                            Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                            That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                            Mozilla is cooked.

                            https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

                            fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @jwz Did mozilla somehow end up with all the AI bros not competent enough to grift from VCs rather than nonprofits or something?

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                            • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                              Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                              That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                              Mozilla is cooked.

                              https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

                              greatbigtable@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @jwz It feels like someone needs to pull a Firefox on the Mozilla Foundation like Firefox did on the original Mozilla browser when it had lost its way.

                              Take the core technology of Firefox & fork a non-AI browser that is focused on the web. That's what a large swath of people want. Then let the downloads do the talking.

                              Firefox "won" because a lot of people were using it. Web developers loved it.

                              Make a browser that people fall in love with because it works and is fast & reliable without AI.

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                              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                @jwz My read is that Google—Mozilla's main funding source these days—have *ordered* them to spend money on AI (meanwhile supplying the money to do so). No mainstream browser may remain uncompromised by the grift. amirite?

                                npars01@mstdn.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @cstross @jwz

                                We all need to remember where Google's money comes from... #PrinceBonesaw and Chris Hohn.

                                https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-06/google-thiel-stand-out-in-saudi-prince-s-silicon-valley-tour

                                https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/15/major-investor-calls-on-google-owner-to-aggressively-cut-staff-and-pay

                                https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-crown-prince-visits-apple-google-2018-4

                                https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/chris-hohns-tci-made-18-9-billion-last-year-shattering-hedge-fund-records-e155153b

                                We need more reporting on why the fossil fuel industry is suddenly so desperate to get AI into every aspect of tech & everyone's personal life

                                Browsers, robots, vehicles, farm tractors, home appliances, laptops, cloud services, IOT medical devices, news, content creation...

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                                • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                  Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                  That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                  Mozilla is cooked.

                                  https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                  #16

                                  @jwz If users are so invested in the actions of this corporation, they should instead focus on creating a consumer cooperative for a browser so that they actually have a direct say in its operation

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                                  • csstrowbridge@mastodon.socialC csstrowbridge@mastodon.social

                                    @jwz

                                    So... I assume people have already researched alternative browsers.

                                    Any recommendations.

                                    czauner@social.vivaldi.netC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #17

                                    @csstrowbridge

                                    Vivaldi is neat. And the promised not to put any AI in their Browser.

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                                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                      @jwz My read is that Google—Mozilla's main funding source these days—have *ordered* them to spend money on AI (meanwhile supplying the money to do so). No mainstream browser may remain uncompromised by the grift. amirite?

                                      mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @cstross @jwz I'm not so sure it's that. Mozilla view The Goog as a liability, and want to diversify revenue away from the disastrously single-sourced search royalties. They have concluded that the best way to do so is pursuing AI, while under the guise of "liberating" AI from corporate control. The latter is of course a joke, since uhhhh where exactly do those foundation models come from, even the "open" ones?

                                      https://taggart-tech.com/mozilla-cycle-pt3/

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                                      • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                        Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                        That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                        Mozilla is cooked.

                                        https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                        #19

                                        @jwz out of curiosity, what is a good, trustworthy, no nonsense upstart web browser these days?

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                                        • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                                          Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.

                                          That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.

                                          Mozilla is cooked.

                                          https://jwz.org/b/yk2n

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                                          #20

                                          @jwz
                                          that's like 10-15 F-35 fighter jets, or 1/20th of one block of a nuclear powerplant

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