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  • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

    @Floppy
    Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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    #27

    @vvilhelmus @Floppy what 😭

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    • janvenetor@mastodontti.fiJ janvenetor@mastodontti.fi

      @kfdm @Floppy this doesn't surprise me at all 😕

      Give a person a platform and they will open their mouth.

      It's well known engineers are way overrepresented in extremist circles, as islamic and right wing terrorists...

      I reckon it has something to do with black and white thinking. And maybe lack of humanities in education...

      https://goodauthority.org/news/this-new-book-explains-why-so-many-islamist-extremists-have-studied-engineering/

      #politics

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      #28

      @janvenetor @kfdm @Floppy no, it has to do with desirable (for the extremists) practical skills like blowing things up. Blowing hot air isn’t anywhere as valuable as humanities types believe.

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      • hjvt@hachyderm.ioH hjvt@hachyderm.io

        @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy
        Everyone is involved in politics by virtue of living in a society.

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        #29

        @hjvt @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy … despite some selfish politician back in the day saying there is no such thing as society.

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        • fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.netF fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.net

          @janvenetor @kfdm @Floppy no, it has to do with desirable (for the extremists) practical skills like blowing things up. Blowing hot air isn’t anywhere as valuable as humanities types believe.

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          #30

          @fazalmajid @kfdm @Floppy see the linked book, skills do not factor in it per the research.

          "We find that engineers are no more likely than other graduates to cover technical roles, such as bomb making [...] What engineers learn at university is unlikely to make them more practically proficient at bomb making than former military or car mechanics. [...] many non-Islamist extremist groups have been skillful at bomb making without engineers in their ranks."

          #politics

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          • citadel9@cyberplace.socialC citadel9@cyberplace.social

            @JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

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            #31
            @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy Everybody is involved in politics in the first place. It mostly boils down to which side of the coin you're falling on. Some people delude themselves thinking they can stand on the side of the coin.
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            • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

              Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

              Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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              #32

              @Floppy@mastodon.me.uk I feel like this needlessly inflates how many fascists there actually are. every time someone is revealed to be a fascist, it’s a whole news story - because it’s relatively rare.

              But because you hear about every fascist who happens to maintain or lead something, they seems a lot more than the thousands of people who aren’t fascist, who are just quietly maintaining something without fanfare or big red alerts.

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              • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                #33

                @Floppy Fascism attracts people, because of deceptive beauty, order, and masculinity.

                If only demonized, we won’t take away its power to destroy.

                I believe label Fascism was created first by outside press in response to Mussolini, not him nor his predecessors.

                Fasces is the key to understand Mussolini.

                He saw Roman militarism as the socialist unifier, which was influenced in part due to his exclusion from internationalist privileged circles & ironically British financiers.

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                • fluidlogic@oldbytes.spaceF fluidlogic@oldbytes.space

                  @JdeBP @Floppy what's worse, a fascist or a cryptofascist?

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                  #34

                  @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy at least the fascist doesn't try to hawk you some crypto, right?

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                  • gustavommg@mastodon.socialG gustavommg@mastodon.social

                    @Floppy Fascism attracts people, because of deceptive beauty, order, and masculinity.

                    If only demonized, we won’t take away its power to destroy.

                    I believe label Fascism was created first by outside press in response to Mussolini, not him nor his predecessors.

                    Fasces is the key to understand Mussolini.

                    He saw Roman militarism as the socialist unifier, which was influenced in part due to his exclusion from internationalist privileged circles & ironically British financiers.

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                    #35

                    @Floppy To be clear, fascism is deceptive. It destroys beauty, order, and masculinity.

                    It places war and other forms of violence as its highest ideal, because of poorly informed history.

                    With this as its main attribute, it destroys itself or destroyed by its copies. That’s not how the world works, because it exists, creates, and sustains.

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                    • normjess@tech.lgbtN normjess@tech.lgbt

                      @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy at least the fascist doesn't try to hawk you some crypto, right?

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                      #36

                      @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy oh God, you joke, and yet...

                      https://www.upress.umn.edu/9781517901806/the-politics-of-bitcoin/

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                      • fluidlogic@oldbytes.spaceF fluidlogic@oldbytes.space

                        @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy oh God, you joke, and yet...

                        https://www.upress.umn.edu/9781517901806/the-politics-of-bitcoin/

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                        #37

                        @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy
                        cryptofascists!
                        crypto cryptofascists!
                        cryptocrypto cryptofascists!

                        nooo!!

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                        • normjess@tech.lgbtN normjess@tech.lgbt

                          @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy
                          cryptofascists!
                          crypto cryptofascists!
                          cryptocrypto cryptofascists!

                          nooo!!

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                          #38

                          @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy it's fascists all the way down, you see.

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                          • fluidlogic@oldbytes.spaceF fluidlogic@oldbytes.space

                            @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy it's fascists all the way down, you see.

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                            #39

                            @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy
                            away with your fascist earth theory 🫷🏻

                            I mean, its probably true, but get it away from me!

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                            • _r@donotsta.re_ _r@donotsta.re

                              @Floppy@mastodon.me.uk I feel like this needlessly inflates how many fascists there actually are. every time someone is revealed to be a fascist, it’s a whole news story - because it’s relatively rare.

                              But because you hear about every fascist who happens to maintain or lead something, they seems a lot more than the thousands of people who aren’t fascist, who are just quietly maintaining something without fanfare or big red alerts.

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                              #40

                              @_r @Floppy that they all know each other and work together on this is important however

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                              • normjess@tech.lgbtN normjess@tech.lgbt

                                @fluidlogic @JdeBP @Floppy
                                away with your fascist earth theory 🫷🏻

                                I mean, its probably true, but get it away from me!

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                                #41

                                @normjess @JdeBP @Floppy I appall myself at the thought of it!

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                                • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

                                  @Floppy
                                  Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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                                  #42

                                  @vvilhelmus @Floppy I'm not saying it's *always* mastodon.social,

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                                  • citadel9@cyberplace.socialC citadel9@cyberplace.social

                                    @JdeBP @Floppy Does everyone need to be involved in politics in the first place?

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                                    #43

                                    @citadel9 @JdeBP @Floppy if you think you have the option not to be, lucky you

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                                    • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                                      Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                                      Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                                      #44

                                      @Floppy

                                      much of modern biomedical research depends on tools that were not patented by the people who discovered them

                                      eg
                                      Green Fluorescent Protein and 2 Hybrid

                                      PCR is an odd exception

                                      2 hybrid
                                      https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2705515/

                                      GFP
                                      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9759496/

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                                      • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

                                        Modern Dependency Problems (with apologies and thanks to XKCD)

                                        Probably needs more arrows, tbh

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                                        #45

                                        @Floppy 😭

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                                        • vvilhelmus@mastodon.socialV vvilhelmus@mastodon.social

                                          @Floppy
                                          Isn't putting labels on contributors fascism in itself?

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                                          #46

                                          @vvilhelmus @Floppy "but I'm just asking questions 🤡"

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